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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:36, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Argolida Football Clubs Association[edit]

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Article lacks to meet the notability guidelines. -Porchcrop ^{(talk|contributions)} 01:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —-Porchcrop ^{(talk|contributions)} 01:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a large and notable football association in Greece with numerous links on Greek Google. Easily meets WP:GNG as do some of its member clubs. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 14:43, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 23:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a loose association of small, local, non-notable football teams? I can't see anything notable in that. It doesn't meet WP:GNG in its current form, please feel free to add some more references and I'll be happy to reconsider. Giant Snowman 23:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per new evidence below which shows notability. Giant Snowman 13:47, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - what's the difference between this and, say, the Berkshire and Buckinghamshire Football Association? —BETTIA— ^talk 08:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting question. The Argolida Football Clubs Association is a much larger association in that it has several times more members. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 11:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Berk + Bucks is affiliated to the FA, runs notable competitions etc. - as Matt91486 says below, this article is just a list of clubs and so doesn't demonstrate notability. Giant Snowman 19:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This association is listed at Local football championships of Greece (albeit as Argolis rather than Argolida), and appears to feed into the bottom level of the Greek football league system. This certainly implies that it's affiliated with the HFF, and as part of their pyramid, could probably be counted as notable. —BETTIA— ^talk 19:40, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If a reference can be found to verify this, I'm by all means willing to reconsider the situation. Giant Snowman 19:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now THAT'S the tricky part. Everything I've found about them so far is in Greek. —BETTIA— ^talk 20:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Non-English sources are fine. Giant Snowman 20:25, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly a third party source, but the lead to the Greek version of this article says something along the lines of "The Argolida Football Clubs Association belongs to the HFF and has responsibility for the sport of soccer in the province of Argolis, in the nearby province of Troizinias, the province of Piraeus and the islands of Poros, Spetses and Hydra". Too bad that article is also unsourced. —BETTIA— ^talk 20:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go. Part I Section 5 of their constituion (Word document) states "The EPS Argolis as a member of HFF accepts that the football under his auspices and its organization will be conducted in accordance with the "Game Rules" established or amended by the International Football Association Board (IFAB)." —BETTIA— ^talk 21:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm reserving judgment on the notability because I can't really get a feel from it from the article: it's mainly just a couple of lists. Is it possible for those who read Greek to be able to piece together more of a prose-based article to better demonstrate it's notability? matt91486 (talk) 18:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this association is part of the HFF (Greek FA) and the Greek football league system, and therefore forms an integral part of football in Greece. —BETTIA— ^talk 21:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But no reference actually verifies that information... Giant Snowman 21:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a reference that verifies that. The association organises an annual international football tournament called "Atreus" which is under the auspices of the Hellenic Football Federation and with the cooperation of Arsenal Soccer Schools. The reference is http://www.epsarg.gr/atreus/atreus.php - Το Τουρνουά, Ένωση Ποδοσφαιρικών Σωματείων Αργολίδας (Greek language). It was hard work finding that reference. I hope that's good enough. Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 03:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've hit the jackpot. Just found this superb third party reference for the tournament and it's in the English language promoting the largest international football tournament that's held in Greece http://www.arsenalfootball.gr/greek/images/stories/atreus2010.pdf Nipsonanomhmata ^(Talk) 03:22, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sources provided that demonstrate notability. Nicely done. Argyle 4 Life^talk 15:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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