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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:35, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arnis Rubins[edit]

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Author removed PROD, claiming that he passed WP:ATHLETE by playing for Prestatyn Town. However, the Welsh Premier League is not a fully-pro league as per this list of pro leagues and neither is the Latvian league. -- Big Dom 13:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. -- Big Dom 14:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - overlooking the fact that the article seems to have been placed here by his agent trying to find him a new club, he fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. The Welsh Premier League is not fully professional, in fact it has no full-time players in it at all. The article's creator has added the Latvian league to the list of fully pro leagues (without a source) but specifically noted that it became fully pro in 2009. Even if this is true, it doesn't help this player's case, as he last played in Latvia in 2008 -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 14:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails notability and is also written like an advert Spiderone 14:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Player is actually more known than 75% of articles we have on Latvian leagues and players, he is actually a member of both Youth national teams for his age groups. Besides he has technically played for fully professional clubs, and Latvian league has been operating as professional since LMT became a sponsor in 2006. www.lff.lv. That wiki list on professional clubs is totally out of date and incorrect. Belarus First division :) I think its as professional as a badly run pub league. 18:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.180.44 (talk • contribs)

Youth caps don't make him notable. Also, the LFF website doesn't say anything about being professional. Spiderone 19:54, 29 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

He is as notable playrs from Latvia get. If that is the case then If we go into Baltic leagues and delete all players who have only played in their own country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.180.44 (talk • contribs)

I think someone like Vitālijs Astafjevs would dispute that playing semi-pro football in front of 200 people in Wales is as notable as players from Latvia can hope to be....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - I suppose you can't expect many 18 year olds achieve the set out athlete notability. This should be enough. 18:08, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

Comment - Why does his age matter? You either meet the notability requirements or you don't. Spiderone 18:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have struck out this comment because it was made by the same IP user who made the first keep vote. Just because this user is the player's agent, doesn't mean he can vote twice. -- Big Dom 18:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, age is irrelevant. The user seems to be saying that it is unreasonable to expect youngsters to pass WP:ATHLETE (is it really? see Luke Freeman for example) they should be allowed to have articles anyway, just because they're young. In that case I'm off to write an article on my son. He doesn't pass WP:ATHLETE but hey, he's only 5 so I reckon he should be allowed an article anyway ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per nom. GauchoDude (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete player fails WP:ATHLETE as he has not played at a fully-pro level of football. Also fails WP:GNG due to lack of third party media coverage. --Jimbo^[online] 09:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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