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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 19:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Astrology and the bible[edit]

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This seems to be mostly original research and WP:SYNTH. The article starts out with the uncited claim that there are "striking" parallels between the Bible and astrology, and follows largely along those lines, with syntheses from the field of astrology. Kansan (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Mostly original research. De728631 (talk) 17:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Almost proselytizing. This is written as a point of view - in no way encyclopedic. Nothing factual - mostly inference. Mark^Dask 18:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sources given don't seem reliable. WP:SYNTH. Mark Shaw (talk) 18:12, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. OR/SYNTH, almost entirely unsupported (and almost certainly unsupportable) by references -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:04, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Original research using unreliable references. An article on the topic using truly reliable sources could be written, but this one is hopeless. Cullen328 (talk) 00:26, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Revisionist Christian astrology. There are only weak and superficial correlations drawn here, in particular the 12 disciples-12 signs correlation. Virgin-Virgo, Sun metaphors-Sun, and Fishes-Pisces are not much better. Even if it came from a scholar in astrology, it would not be worth much. Not that I have to say so; WP has a knee-jerk reaction to delete everything about the several millenia of astrological philosophy. But even the uninformed opinions are right this time. Anarchangel (talk) 08:39, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Already just in the first image caption, there are big problems. There's no valid evidence that I'm aware of that the whole "age of pisces" thing goes back any further than late 19th-century mystical speculations, and it's quite problematic that the standard accepted origin of the Ichthys symbol isn't even mentioned. It's also rather odd that clearest reference to astrology in the New Testament -- the Magi -- is given short shrift. Some of this material could be incorporated in a different form into an Esoteric Christianity-related article, but only if it were properly sourced to 19th or 20th century works of mystical speculation, and not presented as basic fact. AnonMoos (talk) 13:47, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Three Wise Men are related to astrology? Anarchangel (talk) 09:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely -- the word "magoi" pretty much meant "dream interpreter, astrologer, magician" in Greek, and they're said to be following a star... AnonMoos (talk) 15:37, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. We have an article Christianity and astrology which has some discussion about it, but it seems to need work... AnonMoos (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:59, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as Cullen328 says, an article could be written with this title but right now I am not able to identify even a single claim with backing from a reliable source. Blue Rasberry (talk) 09:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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