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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Le Page[edit]

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I'm finding nothing. Not even really sure where this Sheriar Press outlet is supposed to be that apparently most of his publications are supposed to be from. TimothyJosephWood 00:50, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A very big delete. I'm not sure what this guy actually does or did to make him notable. It seems like he went to India, found himself, then returned to Australia to start a company that does something not explained int he article? References deeply sketchy. I did find a video on Youtube where he talks incoherently about something or other in front of a pile of his badly designed self-published books.198.58.162.176 (talk) 10:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Le Page is one of the main disciples of Meher Baba, has worked on books and films about him, was one of the main people who set-up and ran Avatar's Abode, and the page itself has many sources and references. This is a notable and important page (literally) in Wikipedia's Meher Baba collection. Here is a link to get to the Sheriar Foundation which the nominator had questions about. The nominator asked where the Sheriar Press outlet is, it's in South Carolina. There are many youtube entries for Le Page, possibly if 198.58.162.176 watched more they'd find something of value. Randy Kryn 15:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So pretty much what I expected: Sheriar is an organization specifically set up to put out information about Baba, making them basically self-published, and not qualifying toward notability. YouTube searches are also essentially meaningless for the purposes of notability. TimothyJosephWood 16:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It would be self-published if Meher Baba himself published the books and information and they weren't republished elsewhere. This seems like a legitimate publisher who publishes books about an important topic, Meher Baba, and Le Page's works are important to the historical record about the subject. I linked to the youtube page because the editor above mentioned watching one of the videos (probably watched only a few minutes, if that, looking at posting history) and based part of his comment on his perceived quality of the speaker. Randy Kryn 16:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

legitimate publisher who publishes books about an important topic No, it is an organization set up to do nothing but promoting Baba. This disqualifies it as a non-independent source, and renders its publication probably no more reliable than official press releases. TimothyJosephWood 16:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The page is not about Meher Baba, who is a very notable person, but about an author who writes books about Meher Baba. His books are published because of his writing talent and his knowledge of the subject, and he seems an able and capable chronicler of history and the life of Meher Baba. This is far from a page which should be deleted, and instead of harming Wikipedia's collection of Meher Baba articles the page further expands and enhances the encyclopedia. Randy Kryn 21:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If he is such a talented writer, then you should have no problem finding reliable secondary and independent sources talking about him. TimothyJosephWood 21:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Kryn, have a look at WP:RS where reliable sources are explained. Youtube is about as unreliable as they come.198.58.162.176 (talk) 06:45, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As I explain above, the only reason I even mentioned youtube was because you used your experience of watching and not understanding a portion of a video as one of your reasons for wanting to delete the page. Randy Kryn 11:18, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:39, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spirituality-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:39, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, "The page is not about Meher Baba, who is a very notable person", really?, nearly all of the references at the Baba article and most of the books listed in Baba's reference section are written by either Baba himself or disciples/followers of Baba. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:01, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:58, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Bizarre article that doesn't establish notability at all, or even explain what this guy has done. References are all very sketchy self-published sources and aren't reliable for sourcing facts. Denarivs (talk) 03:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It explains exactly what he's done. His work on the life of Meher Baba, published by publishing houses interested in the subject, are not self-published. What parts do you define as WP:BIZARRE? Randy Kryn 12:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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