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The result was delete. And salt (see Billy Carson). Sandstein 05:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Camrick Carson II[edit]

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Promotional piece that does not indicate notability per WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR. Sources provided are iffy to say the least. ... discospinster _talk 17:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as per nom. Bondegezou (talk) 17:26, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Seems to have extensive coverage and passes notability as TV Host and music producer per WP:AUTHOR guidelines. Peter303x (talk) 21:09, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed reference to his being a TV host as it was not reliably sourced. I've trimmed the text around his music producing as much of it could not be reliably sourced. What's left, I've tagged as needing verification as it's paywalled. Bondegezou (talk) 15:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment this is a re-creation of Billy Carson which has been deleted 4 times, including 3 times G5. Refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/OfficialPankajPatidar/Archive and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/Archive 109#Billy Carson. Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: A quick google search gives significant results for Billy Carson, author of best seller book, seems to meet WP:GNG. Meeanaya (talk) 04:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• The source on the page for his "bestseller" is Amazon.com. NOT a WP acceptable source for "bestseller" claims.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and salt. Nom is very generous when describing the sources as iffy. Scraping below the bottom of the barrel. Vague waves above have not identified any specific sources that are good. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I have tried doing some clean-up of the article. This has mostly entailed deleting material that is not sourced or where citations fail WP:RS. There was lots of blogs and WP:FRINGEy stuff, and lots of citations not saying what was claimed. More could probably be cut on similar grounds. Bondegezou (talk) 15:09, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Are any of the sources WP:SIGCOV? He doesn't come up in a proquest news search, not even a mention. The NYTimes article on the page is about a high school basketball player whose father is named "Billy Carson", even if it is the same Billy Carson, having a daughter who shoots hoops doesn't make you notable. One of he "sources" [1] in something called the London Post : [https://london-post.co.uk/about/}, which looks like a press release reposting service.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:16, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep His contributed science and history should make him notable under WP:ACADEMIC. His music has made it onto multiple Billboard 100 listing which clearly fulfills Wikipedia requirement for WP:SINGER and WP:Music which state "had a single or album on any country’s national music charts". Demandchange (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)(Note that Demandchange is the article creator.[reply]

• Please specify and verify that claim using WP:RS. Thank you.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Those songs don't even exist. ... discospinster _talk 18:52, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Demandchange created the article. There is nothing in the article that remotely meets WP:ACADEMIC. Claims in the article pertain only to producing singles that have charted and WP:MUSIC would only apply to the artist, and I was unable to verify those claims. Two of the citations given made no mention of the songs concerned, so I removed those. Bondegezou (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly cannot find such. Notability is not sourceable,as far as I can tell.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:56, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete unless better sources show up. Haukur (talk) 23:14, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I cannot find any SIGCOV of this subject. Also subject is not a NY Times Best Seller, so misleading lead. WP:TOOSOON Lightburst (talk) 01:17, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Easily accessible in google top search. His history of science makes him notable under WP:ACADEMIC. WilmA.OliveR (talk) 06:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain how he is notable under WP:ACADEMIC? I can't see anything remotely fitting WP:ACADEMIC. Bondegezou (talk) 09:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for WP:UPE. MER-C 16:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Nearly everything in the article that establishes any notability comes down to two citations, London Post and Middle East Headlines. Both look pretty dodgy to me, as in not satisfying WP:RS, but I've given the article the benefit of the doubt and left them in for now. If we can pin down a decision on those, I think the notability or not of this article would be clearer. Bondegezou (talk) 10:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Bondegezou: If someone buys a cut-rate online PR package, London Post is one of the outlets where the "news story" shows up. A London Post citation is a giant blinking sign that says "This BLP is promotional". Bakazaka (talk) 05:20, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I literally can't verify anything in this BLP. Assuming it all was true, being a produder, even of a rap hit, is run of the mill. Bearian (talk) 14:40, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• More comment We've pinned down the music production side of things a bit. He co-produced an album that made some Billboard sub-charts, e.g. #32 on the Independent albums chart, but not the main chart. I believe that doesn't pass standard music notability criteria, although it's a better claim to notability than anything else in the article. Bondegezou (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Me again. Yes, as per WP:GOODCHARTS, it's only the main Billboard chart that qualifies for notability, so this is insufficient. Bondegezou (talk) 18:30, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and salt as multiply reposted undisclosed paid-for spam (see Billy Carson). MER-C 08:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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