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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Giovannini[edit]

Non-notable cartoonist (failing WP:CREATIVE). All Google hits for ""Brian Giovannini" "postage due""[1] appear to be mirrors of his Wikipedia article, or self-published sources. The impressive number of mirrors is due to the article's creation date, back in 2003. The author's defunct web site provided a list of community, local or university newspapers where the comics was apparently published [2] (see also [3]). I haven't found any independent, third-party sources to verify this however, and the publication in none of these local newspapers seems sufficient to establish notability anyway. Delete. Edcolins (talk) 19:57, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that the comic was featured in a local paper when I was a student, and I remember he just barely passed the thresh-hold for notability back in 2006. Now that the comic is gone and his blog has gone under [4], much more troublesome. I would recommended a merged and redirect into Haynes & Boone if anyone can find a source saying that he works there. --Rayc (talk) 02:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No merge please. His cartoonist activity appears in no way linked to Haynes & Boone [5]. --Edcolins (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:03, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm honestly not exactly sure what to make of this "article". One thing that bothers me though is that one should not need to have an online presence, or even a "current" presence to be "notable". Jack Benny (or even Lenny Bruce), comes to mind. The article is not a hoax, and was a published comics creator. What's the "dividing line" to determine if a published artist is "notable" for the published work? - jc37 10:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should be covered in multiple reliable sources, same as for everything. I would say such coverage of any of his works would also be enough. If there is no web presence, then offline sources are required, not no sources. As this one is a lawyer, it seems comic creation is just a hobby of his? Which explains why no sources - he is not notable?YobMod 11:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Does not meet WP:NOTABILITY. A google search was unable to locate multiple independent sources to support notability. Untick (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've not managed to find these newspapers that carried 'Postage Due', but if they are as notable as the Des Moines Comic Outlet seems to be, I don't think we need worry. Hobbies can sometimes be notable - Alexander Borodin being an example. I can find far more evidence for Brian Giovannini being a lawyer than being a cartoonist, which suggests that there isn't much once one discounts the mirrors. If the creator of the article - or ANYONE - HAS got any references, would s/he/they please post them. Peridon (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --Ged UK 17:25, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing to indicate notability as a cartoonist. No merge, nothing to indicate notability as a lawyer either.Yob Mod 20:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.