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The result was keep‎. A consensus to Keep but Rename but no consensus on what the new page title should be. Please discuss this on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bus plunge[edit]

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Short article on an obscure print media trope/in-joke. Cites only three sources: First one is not about the subject (just an example of a "bus plunge" headline); second is some rando's webpage so obviously not WP:RS; and third is a Slate piece, which is RS. Is only one reliable piece of coverage enough to meet WP:GNG? WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 18:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Slate is ok; I can't find confirmation of this trope, but the NYT seems to have a history of using certain tropes, such as cat news [1]. Could perhaps merge to a section about "Tropes in the New York Times" in the article about the newspaper? Oaktree b (talk) 18:39, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. (added: possible rename per below conversation) This seems to be a notable phenomenon. I've added a couple sources, and a very minor expansion, and these sources could very much help expand article further as well. Specifically:
  • A Jalopnik piece written by a then-yet-to-be editor-in-chief (much of G/O media inlcuding Gizmodo, A/V Club, Quartz are generally considered reliable, though some are mixed, per WP:RSP. Jalopnik is not itself listed there, but it's not a very controversial publication in its own right) The piece block quotes slate, but adds a significant amount of its own thought. Definitely helps with WP:GNG.
  • I've also added a Baltimore Sun piece by a regular columnist that should also help with WP:GNG. Links to slate but is decidedly independent, providing a bit of an alternative look at the phenomenon.

—siroχo 22:53, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, additional sources added though yes one WP:GNG meeting source is sufficient. Garuda3 (talk) 07:31, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and rename Merge with Roadway departure: As it stands, this article is about a journalistic practice and not bus plunges themselves, which fall under the category of Roadway departure, a type of traffic collision.

Out of the 37 mainspace inbound links to this page, with the exception of Headline, Journalese, and Filler (media), they are all referring to actual bus plunge accidents and not the practice of reporting on them. These would probably be better served by link to an article that describes the accident type itself instead of a commentary on journalistic practices.

Alternatively, all the non-journalism commentary-related inbound links could be pointed to Roadway departure instead, but I think it makes more sense for Bus plunge to refer to an actual bus plunge than a type of news story, which could possibly be renamed to Bus plunge (journalistic practice) or something of the sort. 9³ (talk) 01:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC) edited 19:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a hatnote for the time being. I would be fine with a move to Bus plunge story or something like that. But I think a merge is not appropriate as the topic matter is decidedly different, as you've noted. —siroχo 03:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that would work. Changed to rename. 9³ (talk) 19:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but consider rename. It's got press coverage spanning over 10 years, so meets notability requirements. I'm not sure if renaming to Bus plunge (journalistic practice) really meets Wikipedia naming practices (which caution against unnecessary parentheses or over-long titles) better than having a hatnote - Bus plunge story might be better. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.