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The result was delete as hoax. Remember that AfD is not a vote; consensus is most important. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Castle of Mirrors[edit]

Castle of Mirrors (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Article is unreferenced, topic seems unlikely, links (in Ukranian) do not seem to be related to the subject, sole editor* has recently started three other hoax articles. Unable to locate any sources, reliable or otherwise. (*One other edit of content is by an ISP in California, main editor has numerous edits related to Stanford University.) Mdsummermsw (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Deletion. If there are no sources to the entire article, I don't think it should be kept. Plus, the subject isn't notable enough in my opinion. תחי מדינת ישראל (talk) 16:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now--probably notable if accurate, but woefully undersourced. JJL (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - "for now"? What are you expecting to change? The second external link is to photos of the castle at Medzhibozh. That article is quite detailed and makes no mention of the supposed characteristic mirrors. Kamenets-Podolskiy, also in that link, was captured by the Ottoman empire the very year this structure was supposedly built and, again, the article fails to mention this very unusual structure. (The first external link seems to be photos of the same structure.) So, the editor posts numerous hoax articles and this one which defies all attempts at verification. What do you think is about to turn up?
• Delete as hoax. An extensive search of the net, under a variety of names, including Ukrainian tourist sources, turns up zippo. Debate 木 02:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep per notability. I talked to my parents, who are from the Ukraine, and they attest to its existence. Handc (talk) 22:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC) — Handc (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Comment: User:Handc was a co-contributing account to one of the deleted hoax articles of the creator of Castle of Mirrors. As full disclosure I marked that, and this, article as a hoax, along with several others by the same editor. T L Miles (talk) 01:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep as fact. I'm also a student at Stanford University, and perhaps the reason for such a preponderance of Stanford ties is the popular Ukrainian history course offered here. This course frequently mentions the Castle of Mirrors. NewborneBaebe (talk) 22:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC) — NewborneBaebe (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Delete and Salt Obvious hoax. The pictures are of Castle Medzhibozhe [1] [2], which appears to predate the claimed 1672 constuction and there are no claims about the mirrors. The article claims the Castle of Mirrors was built in 1672 and had most of the mirrors shattered in 1596, an obvious impossibility. It also claims that silvered mirrors were placed on the outside in 1684, but silvered mirrors weren't invented until 1835. Finally, the article claims the view of Castle of Mirrors is blocked by "the mirror maze and hedges surrounding the property", something obviously false from the linked photographs. Edward321 (talk) 05:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep Elmerfike (talk) 00:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC) — Elmerfike (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.