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The result was keep. --Coredesat 22:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine Karina Chmiel[edit]

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First, no assertion of notability in the article. The only reference is to the person's homepage. We seem to miss Wikipedia:Notability (artists) but general WP:N requires multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work [which] is widely recognized (for better or worse) and who are likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field. I see no proof of either here. On a final note, the name of that person is likely a nickname - Polish variant of Catherine is Katarzyna...  _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  23:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Some info is on [1] (in Polish). Anyway, in case of no feedback I suggest to go as suggested. above. Pavel Vozenilek 12:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Translated the parts that could be used as an argument for her notability, "She ilustrted 60+ books. In 1995 roku he won an award/featured status (wyróżnienie) at the Polish comisc convent in Łódź], for her. „Śpiąca królewna” (sleeping beauty) work. In 2000 she was chosen the best grafic artist of the "Eurocon" in the coloured work category." Mieciu K 17:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - but that's all from her own homepage. If she is really notable, we should have neutral sources about her achievements... -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Article has not even been around for a month - no need to tag it for deletion yet. Not everyone can sit down and flesh out an article entirely in one sitting. --Ozgod 05:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. A brief look around the web indicates she is very well-known as a Tolkien artist. She apparently is also in rising demand as a concept artist/designer for movies. The claims cited from the home page can be verified. (Example:^[1]). The page needs some attention from Wikipedians fluent in Polish, Russian and Italian. (I myself have only the most rudimentary understanding of Russian and can reasonably follow Italian, but am far from fluent.) However, simply because the sources are foreign language, does not mean she is not notable or that the article should be deleted. It just means the article needs some attention from those with the skills to verify the references. Vassyana 19:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 22:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. -- Mereda 17:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. She may also be a comic writer [2]: she is also the artist/author of the "Calvin and Hobbes"-esque comic strip about Boromir's (and Faramir's, and Theodred's, a bit) childhood. John Vandenberg 21:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as things are with WP:N at the moment we have to assert notability as a Tolkien illustrator, question is if we have to change WP:N and then revisit these themes Alf photoman 01:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Vassyana. --Fang Aili ^talk 17:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep If there is any subject that defines WP, it's Tolkien, and itis clear she has done N work on this. Alf has it right.DGG 23:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am tending to delete - without prejudice to recreation if more substantiation can be sourced outside her own web site. The claims sound OK, but only her website to prove them doesn't reassure me at the moment. Tyrenius 04:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note this article was probably created as a result of being listed on the todo list of the Middle-earth project [3]. John Vandenberg 06:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note I missed the nom's indication that her Polish name is "Katarzyna", which brings up more useful ghits and 18 worldcat entries. I'll need another day to properly merge them into the article. John Vandenberg 19:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.