The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Merger,r ename, etc. proposals should consider outside of AFD. Courcelles 22:00, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG. Disclaimer: I earlier tagged the article as needing sources.Stuartyeates (talk) 03:59, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Neither cdrkit nor dvd+rw-tools are actively maintained anymore which makes cdrskin along with the non-GPL cdrtools the last remaining optical disk writers for Linux and alike operating systems (especially when it comes to Blu-ray support). It's included in Debian, Fedora, and AFAIK also Ubuntu and IIRC Debian's Blu-ray installation media were created using cdrskin. With optical disk recording fading away, this software's popularity may not set the world on fire but it should be enough to justify an article. I try to find sources as reference. Give me a few days time, though. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What I suggest we do is come up with a suitable article name and merge all of these together to retain the content and refs. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:54, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
By “all these” do you mean cdrtools, cdrkit, and cdrskin? If yes, it would not make any sense. Except for being an recording application, it has nothing to do with the other two. I've extended the cdrskin article to cover all libburnia components. Whether or not the article should be renamed/moved to libburnia is not of any importance to me, though. After some digging I found out that libburn is used as sole recording back-end for Xfce’s Xfburn. Since Xfce is a pretty popular X11 desktop environment, the notability should now be proven. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 02:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Except for the fact that Wikipedia's notability guideline has nothing that says that an article like this is notable. SL93 (talk) 02:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the notability guidelines say that “editorial judgment” would justify a separate article if it were “unwieldy” elsewise. cdrskin/libburn acts as sole back-end for Xfburn and optional back-end for Brasero, K3b, etc. Xfburn is discussed shortly in Xfce, while Brasero and K3b have their own articles. It would be – as notability guidelines say – “unwieldy” to discuss all possible back-ends in each article, so the “editorial judgment” is that the front-ends are discussed where they are fit (either in their own articles or as sub-chapter of the organization that produced the front-end) and that the various back-ends are discussed in their own articles. So the only question would be the name for the article. Should it stay cdrskin or rather libburnia? --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 11:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, although I'd make it only a subsection of an article on libburnia (which doesn't exist yet). The website seems to be currently broken, though. The cdrskin is actively uploaded to Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora and Arch Linux at least (e.g. Ubuntu 1.1.0.pl01 changelog, Arch 1.1.4) and the project seems to be more alive than cdrkit and cdrtools. It is commonly said that the Linux distributions will drop cdrkit at some point in favor of libburnia (and cdrskin is the compatibility wrapper afaict) to get a codebase independent of cdrtools. The conflicts of the cdrtools maintainer are all over Wikipedia, too. For the sake of the sensibility of this subject, I'd avoid debateful deletions. --Chire (talk) 08:40, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Cdrskin#libburnia_overview discusses libburnia; when looking for notability, you should include libburnia which is also covered by this article. If you find libburnia more relevant, you should propose a rename and help rewriting the article accordingly. It's a editorial matter whether or not to put the libburina project in front or the probably more user-visible cdrskin wrapper. --Chire (talk) 08:40, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A side note: The main web presence ran on Trac which was compromised with lots of spam. Other services like for example SVN are still up. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 18:22, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – per arguments posited by user KAMiKAZOW and user Chire. Northamerica1000 (talk) 12:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.