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The result of the debate was keep, the nominator withdrew his delete vote as well. Sjakkalle 08:52, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Charles Bronson (prisoner)[edit]

Nominate & vote Del but no vote on this guy who's evidently done nothing but

1. get imprisoned for hurting someone,
2. parlay it into a life sentence by hurting enough of those he encounters in prison,
3. codify his scheme for staying in condition to hurt people, and
4. win the love of a prison-groupie missionary.

This bio is essentially an orphan:

1. LoPbN entry: "Bronson, Charles, aka Michael Peterson"
2. bottom-of-page dab on the real Charles Bronson's bio
3. casual example cited in a WP titling dispute.

(Could we transWiki it to WikiMuseum of Futility?)
--Jerzy (t) 21:10, 2005 Mar 30 & 22:54, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)

• No vote -- Template:vfd header was missing from article -- I added it. FreplySpang (talk) 22:32, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Charles Bronson was once classified as the most dangerous prisoner in the UK penal system. --GRider\^talk 00:18, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notorious prisoner. Gets nearly as high a google rank as the other one. Kappa 00:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Lamentable though it is that some people are fascinated with characters of this type, this is one of the most famous criminals in the UK - more famous than some British serial killers. Wincoote 01:15, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep for reasons cited above. Mgm|^(talk) 08:26, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, again for same reasons as above. -- Karada 08:31, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: he seems to have a fan club. Policy question: should notoriety equate to notability? --bainer 09:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Only if wikipedia aims for a Neutral Point Of View Kappa 11:57, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I nominated, but i've shifted in light of the evidence of notoriety. (The fan club is evidence of something else than notoriety....) Be careful what you "equate", but, yes, notoriety is notable. I don't claim to be able to evaluate the notability of his notoriety, now that P.T. Barnum's supposed dictum has been proved again: "No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public." (But some people, including me, make fools of themselves by overestimating the intelligence of the English-speaking peoples. And that only increases my contempt for this person.) I was mistaken in assuming i could tell that he was non-notable; others will decide whether he is notable enough for his article to deserve more respect than he does. --Jerzy (t) 22:54, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)
• No vote from nominator. See Comment thread immediately above. --Jerzy (t) 22:54, 2005 Mar 31 (UTC)

• Keep Encyclopedic, meaningfully relates to Actor Charles Bronson as a dimension of his fame. Sniffandgrowl 03:52, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Keep Infamous in UK, often featured by 'The Sun', a publicity seeking convict. The page deserves to be improved to include his poetry and bizarre hostage demands (an 'inflatable doll').

• Keep. Appears to be notorious UK criminal over long period of time. Capitalistroadster 11:28, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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