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The result of the debate was keep. —Xezbeth 15:07, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Chewbacca Defense[edit]

This article was previously nominated for deletion on 2003-09-29. The result of the discussion was Keep. The discussion can be found at Talk:Chewbacca Defense.

Funny, but still a neologism, and not especially widespread. Denni ☯ 01:37, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)

Keep or possibly merge with other frivolous / non-logical arguments like Twinkie Defense User:Peter Grey 02:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. I just finished law school where, believe me, it's widespread. -- BD2412 ^talk 02:23, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
Delete: Is the term widespread? The previous keep was "it might catch on." Well, I've never yet heard the term. It's a South Park reference. On the other hand, the Twinkie defense, while stupid, was an actual attempted defense strategy. Geogre 02:51, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment: You'd think the Chewbacca Defense would just be, "Let the Wookiee win," but, nooo... ~Mbsp (contributing nothing useful) 02:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Move to Chef Aid (which is the episode of South Park that this appears in, and is currently a redirect to the article), condense the part about the Wookiee stuff, and expand to cover the entire episode. AиDя01D TALK EMAIL 03:05, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
STRONG Keep. I have heard it applied to many different court cases as a parody. Ral 315 03:42, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, I have never heard of it, but that's because I'm not an Anglosaxon. It certainly looks notable. — JIP | Talk 06:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep per BD2412. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:43, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep although I would like to see more references from the academic world. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, - even if it's a neologism, it is one which is going to get used, both inside and outside lawyer-speak, and it's both useful and non-defamatory (since the Wookie is Fictional Character) --Simon Cursitor 07:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Have to disagree and say Delete. Non-notable neologism. - Sikon 07:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete non notable term. JamesBurns 08:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep. The term was indeed coined from South Park as a neologism, but this was back in 2001. Since then, the term has become accepted (as far as I'm aware, even some lawyers use it to deride their opponents) - Google throws up 9,530 results. If anything it's worth keeping simply as one of the few recent neologisms that have survived. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 08:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep or merge into Chef Aid. Quite notable. I've heard of it and I'm not particularly well versed in law. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:42, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Keep or merge into Chef Aid.I've seen it a few places on the net and when I first saw it didn't know what it was about. I definitely think Wikipedia should have the answer when people go looking for things like this.old joe 09:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If Chewbacca is a Wookie, you must keep. Proto 09:28, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep or Merge to Chef Aid; even in back of beyond Germany, we've heard about this term; I'm quite surprised to hear that it has found it's way into 'normal' (lawyers?) speech Lectonar 11:46, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed VFD discussion, the nominator would certainly want you to believe that this is a humourous item from a single episode of South Park that has no relevance outside of the television series. And xe makes a good case. Hell, I almost believe it myself!
But ladies and gentlemen of this supposed discussion, I have one thing I want you to consider: Ladies and gentlemen this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca can be found mentioned in discussions about the U.S. Department of Justice, about Michael Moore, about Dan Rather, about Randy "Duke" Cunningham, and about Michael Moore again. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee — an eight foot tall fictional Star Wars character — turn up in commentaries on U.S. politics? That does not make sense!
Look at me, I'm a Wikipedia editor discussing the deletion of a Wikipedia article, and I'm talkin' about Michael Moore. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, none of this makes sense!
And so you have to remember, when you're trudging through WP:VFD/Old supposing and fussing on the closing of the discussion... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed discussion, it does not make sense.
If Chewbacca is used as a rhetorical tool in U.S. political commentary, you must keep! The defense rests.
Uncle G 12:46, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
keep. Delightful.--Ian Pitchford 12:50, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep cultural tidbit which certainly seems to have spread beyond the show itself. I'd say to revisit this VfD in 10 years or so to see if it's stood the test of time. Also congratulations to Uncle G for an awesome vote. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:53, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Merge and Redirect. --W(t) 13:24, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
- Look at the silly monkey! (head explodes) -- BD2412 ^talk 13:31, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
- If only to prove the real power of the Chewbacca Defense. Can we BJAODN Uncle G's text there? Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 13:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  - I think we have a moral obligation to do so. -- BD2412 ^talk 14:10, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
Keep. Well put, Uncle G. Bravo! Meelar (talk) 14:00, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't make sense . . . so confused . . . must keep if it makes no sense . . . --Scimitar 15:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Move to whatever the name of the episode of the stupid television program was, with a redirect. func (talk) 15:15, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If the glove doesn't fit, you must (a) rescue Yoda from Kashyyk, (b) Acquit, and (c) be played by Peter Mayhew. Were you played by Peter Mayhew? He is a player, for sure, that one. Cookies. Doody. Poo-poo. Mama. Keepy. jglc | t | c 16:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge This is stuff like the south park sex positions Muijzo 16:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. If this article was written the day of the first airing, yeah, but it's a matured concept with widespread adoption.--Chairboy 17:06, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Uncle G, you made my day. --Arcadian 19:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep as per Uncle G. DoubleBlue (Talk) 22:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Merge to Chef Aid. I think the inherent "geek" bias of this community is showing on this one. I've seen it on a web forum or two, but I don't know that the world at large has heard of this. --Xcali 22:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep – I've heard of it and I'm... oh, never mind. Just keep --Mothperson 02:56, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep I was about to send this link to someone as I use it often as an analogy for various things. I can't beleive you want to delete this!! This does not make sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! See how many google hits there are..... Jgritz 07:24, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep and incorporate evidence of use as described by User:Uncle G into article. --Metropolitan90 07:28, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Extreme keep. Uncle G's argument is very convincing (and those references need to be incorporated into the article). --L33tminion (talk) 16:09, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
Keep as per Uncle G. --cesarb 17:19, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Fairly widespread use. Not entirely restricted to the South Park fan community by any means. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:37, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong Keep. Look: Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed wiki, Denni would certainly want you to believe that this article, Chewbacca defence, is an unencyclopedic article. And he makes a good case. Hell, I almost fell for it myself!

But ladies and gentlemen of this supposed wiki, I have one final thing I want you to consider: Ladies and gentlemen of the wiki, this Image:Chewbacca.jpg is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee—an eight foot tall Wookiee—want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself, what does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me, I'm a geek editor defending a noted geek joke article, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca. Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense. None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in your computer rooms deliberating and conjugating the Emancipation Proclamation... does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed wiki, it does not make sense. If Chewbacca lived on Endor, you must keep! The defense rests. Project2501a 09:54, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep. I've heard the term plenty of times, although I misinterpreted it as "let the Wookiee win." Also, Project2501a's argument is as inarguable as Mom, baseball, and apple pie. — Dan Johnson ^T_C 12:11, 2005 Jun 18 (UTC)

No, man, you got to ask. What would Brian Boytano do? Project2501a 15:35, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep - me likes them hairy! -- AlexR 18:26, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Strong keep. — Phil Welch 07:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep We need this to show to some unfortunate editors who employ this defense. Mgw 16:46, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Heck, I just spotted it on a VfD two days ago! Extra points to silsor for the phrase argumentum ad chewbaccum. — Dan Johnson ^T_C 12:48, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

The most fun I've had on VfD in a long time. Keep, and I hope it comes back again next year! argumentum ad chewbaccum... beautiful! -Eisnel 05:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Keep, so we can proudly say:

This page is not a candidate for speedy deletion, because: this defense is mighty darn fun!

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— Rickyrab | Talk 22:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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