The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. If notability changes, the article can be restored, so it's not necessarily time wasted. لennavecia 15:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Fagan[edit]

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Contested PROD. Player fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully-pro league. No other claim to fame either. GiantSnowman 17:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 19:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The arguments for deletion are valid as this person is not famous and there is no guarantee that he will make a professional appearance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.168.164 (talk) 20:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Assuming that Fagan will make his debut for Lincoln City in August, September or any other month is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL. Going by his accomplishments to date, he is not notable and the article should be deleted. If he does make his debut, I would not oppose recreation of the article, and that can be done by an admin without needing to completely re-write the article. – PeeJay 21:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Chris Fagan is an active member of the Republic of Ireland Under-21 squad having originally been called up in February 2009. He has so far won two Under-21 caps as well as caps at Under-19 and Under-17 levels. The arguement that he has not made a professional appearance is true but there is strong evidence to suggest that Chris Fagan will make his professional debut for Lincoln City FC once the new season commences in August 2009. Therefore deletion of this article would not serve a useful purpose as it would require rewriting in August. ExiledImp 21:55, 9 June 2009

  Not necessarily. If this article was deleted and then he made his pro debut later on, you can ask an administrator to recreate it at WP:FOOTY's talk page. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 10:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Chris Fagan is the first of Glenn Hoddle Academy to sign a contract in the Football League.--Chong Fat (talk) 03:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • So what? Being in the Glenn Hoddle Academy is no different than being with a club, except they don't play any competitive matches and they have people working all the time just to get them a contract. For now, this is a case of WP:ONEEVENT. – PeeJay 07:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:N as sources provided are trivial and just about transfers rather than his playing exploits. Also fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully-professional league. Stating he's likely to play for Lincoln City next season is crystal ballery. Youth caps do not confer notability either, as they are not the highest level a player can play at. Recreate if and when he ever makes an appearance in a fully-professional league or competition or at international level. --Jimbo^[online] 10:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:N and WP:ATHLETE. Recreate if/when he plays professionally. --Angelo (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Non-notable football player. --Carioca (talk) 17:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. He fails WP:ATHLETE as he has yet to make his professional debut, and there's no indication that he has acheived anything of note in any other field. This article can be recreated if and when he makes his debut. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 10:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment External links have arrived.--The Legendary Sky Attacker 23:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP!!!Would be a complete waste of time to delete the page, only for it to be re-added again in August, when he makes his debut for Lincoln. And seen as he has been signed as a "first choice player" there is a guarantee that this player will play, unless something badly goes wrong. We all are aware of WP:ATHLETE, and its ruling, and I am not disputing the fact that the page was made prematurely, however, is there really any point in deleting it, just for it to be added again, with the same content in a few weeks time? Footballgy (talk) 05:19, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do you know he's going to make his debut in August? Do you have a crystal ball? What if he breaks his leg later today and never plays again? Bloody stupid argument. – PeeJay 11:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hey, you never know, I might be Mystic Meg. Like I said, unless something badly goes wrong and the player fails to play, then fair enough. My argument, being like I mentioned, what is the point of deleting an article that is only going to be re-added in a couple of weeks time. Footballgy (talk) 13:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The point is that he is not currently notable, so if there were no further modifications to Wikipedia throughout the whole of history, this article would not be appropriate, given Fagan's achievements to date. There is no guarantee that there will ever be a need for an article about Chris Fagan, so deleting this article is entirely appropriate. After all, it would only take all of two seconds for an admin to restore the deleted article if he makes his debut. – PeeJay 09:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 00:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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