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The result was keep. Given that he's now appeared for his country, a lot of the objections raised to the existence of this article have been removed. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 12:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Ikonomidis[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested because he is signed to Lazio and has been called to the Australian national team. Since he has not played any actual matches for either of them, this is insufficient to meet WP:NSPORT, and in the absence of significant coverage, the article fails WP:GNG as well. Sir Sputnik (talk) 07:07, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 07:08, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ for now, rather than keep for now. Obviously created WP:TOOSOON by someone keen to highlight his "prodigious" but as yet untested talent. He'll likely be notable in the future, perhaps in the very near future. But we don't create articles about non-notable people and then wait and hope they will become notable. We wait until they are notable and then create the article. This was simply done the wrong way around. St★lwart¹¹¹ 07:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the article meets WP:GNG with significant coverage from reliable sources, but you guys have a much better handle on the wiki meta language than me so it seems you'll get your way. Cheers. - Paladisious — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paladisious (talk • contribs) 07:28, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all - if such coverage exists (considered to be coverage of him and not simply WP:ROUTINE signing announcements and the like) then that would most certainly be worth considering. St★lwart¹¹¹ 08:33, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG.Simione001 (talk) 07:58, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Very easy to restore if/when he becomes notable in the future. Giant Snowman 10:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In addition to a rash of article about him after he was selected for Australia there is Gatt, Ray (3 August 2013), "Teen winger driven to succeed", The Australian. Enough for GNG. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a Fully Professional League and doesn't have any senior international caps. IJA (talk) 13:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article should be sand-boxed until a time when he is deemed notable. IJA (talk) 13:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:GNG with [1], [2], [3] in addition to 2013 article mentioned above. Nfitz (talk) 20:13, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting note: This discussion was closed as "keep", but is reopened and relisted per discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 March 19. Sandstein 17:08, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Some off-site canvassing must have been going on – he's come on as a substitute.[4] (Thank you, Paladisious}. Thincat (talk) 22:17, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Thincat: I'll remind you that serious allegations such as canvassing which lack evidence are personal attacks, and point out that all comments above were made before the source you cited was published. I invite you to either provide evidence of misconduct or strike your remarks. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, well, I should have included a smiley. Or used the convention at WP:RD to put facetious remarks in small print. Thincat (talk) 07:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as nominator. Now that he has played for Australia, the article clearly meets WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ikonomidis has just played his first senior Socceroos game, and now meets WP:FOOTBALL. This discussion can now be closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paladisious (talk • contribs) 20:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Paladisious, please do not remove deletion templates from articles while a discussion is ongoing. St★lwart¹¹¹ 22:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is there to discuss? He's had a senior international cap now, and reliable source for this has been added to the article. He meets WP:NFOOTBALL, case closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paladisious (talk • contribs) 08:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then an administrator will come and close it. St★lwart¹¹¹ 10:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - now passes WP:NFOOTY and so should be kept. St★lwart¹¹¹ 22:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion can probably now be speedily kept, him playing this morning for the national team changes everything and means the grey area has entirely been removed. Daniel 02:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as people have mentioned, he featured for Australia's Senior National Team against Macedonia this morning in a FIFA Sanctioned Friendly. There can be no argument now. I had strong sympathy to holding fire prior on this, but there can be few better ways of signalling your arrival to senior professional football than appearing for your nation's National Team in a FIFA-sanctioned friendly. Also, I've perused the pages of other young pro players over the years and I've seen others kept on for far longer for far less, like a solitary League Cup match. Evidence for Ikonomidis' NT appearance:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-31/teenager-ikonomidis-delighted-to-make-socceroos-debut/6361430

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/socceroos/macedonia-v-socceroos-chris-ikonomidis-and-tarek-elrich-delighted-to-make-roos-debuts/story-e6frf4l3-1227285941004 Xfiles82 (talk) 11:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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