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The result was keep DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Scarver[edit]

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Non-notable criminal who is only of any interest because of who he killed. The relevant guideline for perpetrators is that the victim be a "person of national or international renown". The victim simply being notable is not sufficient. Subject also fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO1E. Redirect to Jeffrey Dahmer was reverted. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 05:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Related AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Anderson (2nd nomination). -- Green Cardamom (talk) 04:50, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There was substantial coverage of this event so it's perplexing the nom would say it fails WP:GNG. Granted the article is not currently well sourced but my update[1] to the Jesse Anderson AfD showed there are 100s of books, newspapers and magazine articles on this topic on a local, national and international scale. WP:BIO1E is nuanced, in fact separate articles can be justified if the person killed is of high notability, as is the case here. It's hard to understand the nom's belief that the victim, Jeffrey Dahmer, is not a "person of national or international renown" for the purposes of WP:CRIMINAL. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 05:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Outside of serial killer groupies Jeffrey Dahmer is not held in any renown. And you're right, the event was covered. The person is not the event. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 15:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For notability purposes fame and infamy are the same. People who kill famous/infamous people can be notable. Jeffrey Dahmer is infamous outside "serial killer groupies". -- Green Cardamom (talk) 21:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

People who kill famous people certainly can be notable, but simply killing a famous person does not automatically confer notability since notability is not inherited. Can you find any sources that substantively cover this individual in any sort of depth, or are you merely plugging his name into Google and counting how many times his name is mentioned without investigating further? Jerry Pepsi (talk) 09:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The rule of discussion here is WP:GNG, which says "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" and that's what this topic has. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Show me the sources that significantly cover the individual (as opposed to the event). "Dahmer was killed by an inmate named Christopher Scarver" does not constitute significant coverage of Scarver, no matter how many sources repeat it. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 18:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - basic WP:GNG covers this. Green Cardamom is right about basically everything.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found some significant coverage. [2] [3] [4] [5] The nominator is incorrect in stating that all of Scarver's notability comes from killing Dahmer. Here is a news piece from 1990 about him, four years before Dahmer's death. Here is one from 1992, and another. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 22:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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