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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 08:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Keezy[edit]

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Seeking consensus, specifically on whether [1], [2], and [3] establish "WP:NSINGER" or WP:BASIC. It's not clear to me that they do. I should note that I'm quite aware of the WP:BIAS implications of this nomination, and do not make it lightly. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:MUSICBIO as sources don't check out. All local sites, a blog, CityPages, promotional interviews, and a non-notable award. Article itself is promotional in tone with no legitimate third-party coverage. Has nothing to do with bias as it does with subject lacking notability. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 17:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Expand Keep Hello! This is the first time one of my articles has been nominataed for deletion, so your patience will be most appreciated. Am I allowed to vote? Is it alright if I add more sources to this article during the deletion discussion? When writing this article, I did believe the articles you cited showed notability, one being an article entirely about her published in the major newspaper of the city and another being published by the NPR affiliate radio station. It is difficult to go by the WP:MUSICBIO since as a DJ, she does not put out albums of her own. She was the DJ for several tours with Rhymesayers artists, which although it is local I assumed counted as a "major record label". Although they are trivial mentions, there are several articles cited from the Detroit Metro Times and Iowa Press. I also thought item #7 under WP:Singer fit for her as she has clealy become a prominent member of a local scene as displayed by the awards. Here is a recent article by college radio station in Kentucky about DJ Keezy. She was played on Minnesota Public Radio radio station through the University of Minnesota here and here. Also, could you clarify what you mean by the bias? Are you saying that you have a bias or are you asking if I do? I do live in Minneapolis and have been to one of DJ Keezy's performances, but I do not know her personally so I do not believe I hold a bias. Thank you, Terasaface (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Terasaface, In response to your questions: (1) yes, you're allowed to vote; and (2) yes, you're very much encouraged to add additional sources. As for WP:BIAS, I meant that I was nominating an article about a young woman of colour, which would contribute to Wikipedia's systemic bias against marginalized people. I certainly was not implying that you are biased in any way. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:00, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AleatoryPonderings Thank you for responding and for clarifying! I appreciate that recognition of systemic bias. I will add that other source to the article now. Thank you, Terasaface (talk) 17:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails the notability criteria. If you actually look at who the musicians are that we have coverage are, at least on a global scale the claim that Afircan-American female musicians are under represented is not going to fly. Americans overall are over-represented in Wikipedia, musicians especially, and since the percentage of African-American musicians as a percentage of musicians far exceeds their percentage in the overall population, you are not going to get under representation. Now probably on a global scale Chinese musicians are under represented, and probably Congolese musicians, but not any American musicians at all. At least not African-American ones, Asian American musicians and Hispanic American musicians may be under represented, but not African-American ones. Not that any of that should impact individual decisions, but it can lead to some absurdities. Sort of like the "African-American first" I once saw that listed Ella Fitzgerald as the first African-American to win a grammy. This is true, but ignores the fact tha Fitzgerald won two grammy's in the very first grammy, and there was at least one other African-American honored with a grammy in that grammy as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Johnpacklambert Could you explain why you believe the article does not meet notability guidelines? I am not entirely sure how her being an African-American and Black women being already represented on Wiki is related to whether or not this article meets notability? I would appreciate the clarification. Thanks, Terasaface (talk) 17:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing is pretty much all local events coverage, which is not the type of coverage that adds up to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep - I'd like to see more sources from outside of one city, to show evidence of touring. Bearian (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep per Bearian. Borderline notable but I'd like to see more women musicians represented on Wikipedia. Haykthetike (talk) 14:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as there is just enough reliable sources coverage to pass WP:GNG in my view. Except for companies and organisations local sources are acceptable, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep: The article has been significantly improved and expanded since this discussion started. per above. VocalIndia (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  VocalIndia, As far as I can see, that is not correct. The only edits to the article after it was nominated were minor copy-edits, the addition of a category, and the inclusion of archive links (most of which I did myself). AleatoryPonderings (talk) 19:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Hello again - I have added a few recent sources to the article. I have also found a decent amount of sources from out of state from that are from ticket sales websites and events listings other such sources which seem trivial and unreliable, so I am not sure that it is helpful to add those. This artist seems to tour nationally every few years, as seen in all of these ticket sales listings, but the nature of being a DJ is that she is often the opening act on national tours and not headlining and not necassarily having reviews written up about her opening performances. I am also not sure how to search for and prove radio plays of her DJ sets but it seems that proving that would add to proving notability. Thank you all for your help navigating this process! Terasaface (talk) 23:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep - The page isn’t very good, but seems to be notable enough, given the fact she has won an award. Foxnpichu (talk) 10:26, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Let's assume good faith in regards to the one writing the article. Offering constructive ideas on how to improve the areas of the article you may feel are below standards is preferred to making short and terse comments about how you feel about the way it is written. In regards to the sources, I'll list the article on the WIR project and see if anyone wants to assist with a search for sources. As many have pointed out, it does seem heavy on local content and coverage which does not automatically preclude a subject or deem them not notable.--Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• keep meets WP:GNG Shameran81 (talk) 22:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: All the additional references confirm notability.--Ipigott (talk) 08:30, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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