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The result was delete. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Fornade[edit]

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Delete. Non-notable person. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 22:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Non-notable, and kinda reads like an autobiography/fan site, and more than likely has COI issues. Osarius Talk 23:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but would be better in prose. Osarius Talk 09:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've added some references to the article. Unfortunately, we're going to need someone who can do a full Romanian language search to find more and the article itself needs a fair amount of cleanup. But Fornade himself appears to be a fairly important editor/writer that has made a number of encyclopedias or was involved in making them in Romanian. He also is the President and otherwise head of a number of different groups, having founded a newspaper, among other things. He appears perfectly notable to me. Silver seren^C 03:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Appears notable. I vote to keep but add more sources and write a better lead.--Codrin.B (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Okay, so the man's notoriety rests on being heavily spam-cited by the lovely Florentin Smarandache, and on circular references from obscure outlets in the Romanian diaspora. Plus he issues some fanzine abroad, and is not uneducated. That is what the article tells us, that is what all sources tell us until we get tired of trying to find anything relevant (which I did, going through google, google books and scholar). Waiting for hypothetical citations to hypothetical material just isn't an option. Dahn (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have some sort of connection or other involvement with the subject? Because you seem to be very hostile toward him. The sources show that he's worked on a number of well-regarded encyclopedias. I think that expresses a fair amount of notability. Silver seren^C 21:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it doesn't come as a surprise to you that AfD participants are actual human beings with senses of humor and irony and of the absurd, and that no policy asks that they check these at the door and make comments that are solely based on policy. It's all right to gently mock some nonentity—indeed we'd lose something valuable if that ever stopped—and this need not draw laughable charges of a conflict of interest.
But I will say this for him: impressive hairdo and moustache. - Biruitorul ^Talk 00:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Silver, let's not do reverse psychology here, if you please. Dahn (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - sorry, but if all we have on the guy is a clutch of puff pieces in third-tier papers and bare passing mention in a legitimate one, that just doesn't cut it. He does seem to have immersed himself in exile circle dilettantism during his decades abroad, but none of the claims to notability is commented upon by sources on him, as required by WP:BIO. I don't doubt, for instance, that he's "President of Danway Publications", but so what? Has any third-party source ever decided that's something relevant? (And no, a local newspaper brief asking for self-submissions of biographies for Fornade's next "dictionary" doesn't count.) - Biruitorul ^Talk 00:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a biography of him made by the Holy Trinity Romanian Orthodox Church, which includes some references at the bottom that we should look into. Oh, found one. And he does have an impressive mustache. I would say that he's notable because of his involvement in being pretty much the only person documenting the Romanian Diaspora, which is what the sources are discussing in relation to him. Silver seren^C 00:35, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't it strike you as odd that his is the only biography in the "who's who" at the Holy Trinity Church? To the question "who's who?" they literally give you the answer "Dan Fornade"... Not that a CV submitted by (or to) a subprovincial church is in any way a WP:RS, mind you, but even there they don't make any effort to seem encyclopedic. And the "refs" at the bottom, all of them from the 1990s, are quite unconvincing: in his career, all he gets are 3 mentions, far between, in central newspapers (not the most reliable ones, especially the shady Ziua) and, supposedly (if we're to go by what the non-reliable source says), a mention of his newspaper in Hangiu's dictionary, which doesn't omit anything. About Ziare.com: everything makes it there, it's a news aggregator; maybe you would like us to hold an article about Vasile Dina, the Vice Mayor of Valea Danului... Dahn (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, regarding the puff pieces in business24, ziuadecluj etc.: what they all relate to is the launch of his Dictionary of Cluj City Personalities, which, zowie, sold all its printed copies within 20 minutes; all its 150 printed copies, that is! Ziua de Cluj only mentions Fornade once, to quote his statement: "Am ales să publicăm la început un tiraj limitat, pentru ca referenţii cărţii să poată aduce sugestii, varianta finală urmând a fi publicată în toamnă, în câteva mii de exemplare" ("We chose to publish at first a limited issue, so that the book reviewers may bring in suggestions, the final variant will be available come fall, in a few thousand copies"). So Fornade's "well-regarded" encyclopedia would have had a second edition in autumn 2007, but it is apparently not covered by any source and we can presume it to be non-existent as far as coverage goes; what we do have is a book that sold 150 copies, wasn't peer-reviewed, and would have had at most a few thousand (not even tens of thousands of) copies. Sooper. Dahn (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B music ian 03:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- A high school teacher in Montreal (although he likes to refer to himself as professor), six self-published books [1], publishes a local Romanian newspaper in Montreal (circulation unknown because all searches for Romanian Morning Star circle back to Fornade links). No significant coverage found in any reliable source. (Note that who's who book entries like this are commonly vanity self-submissions.) Without any coverage independent of the individual, this bio fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:PROF. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 23:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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