The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 04:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Mirante (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Although this article about a visionary artist claims notability, there are no independent reliable sources that substantiate any of the information here, hence this article fails WP:NOTE. Google for <"Daniel Mirante"> (with quotes) finds 59 results, none from reliable sources and all mention the subject very briefly. [1] Search for <"Daniel Mirante" "Journal of Cosmic Play"> gets 5 results - the journal itself, Wikipedia, and a blog. [2] JSTOR, Factiva and LexisNexis turn up no results. Resurgent insurgent 00:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletions. – Alf^Photoman 20:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete unless reliable sources are added before close of AfD. WP:COI issues exist. janejellyroll 00:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:BIO, WP:COI, unlikely to be reliably sourced Hornandsoccer^Talk 01:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete there are no sources used in the article and it as created by a user with the same name as the article subject (WP:COI). Darthgriz⁹⁸ 01:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Hornandsoccer. Sr13 (T|C) 01:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:BIO and WP:V--Dacium 04:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per nom and above comments. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 06:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- fails to meet the critera of WP:BIO Thunderwing 08:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above - fails WP:BIO and not likely to be sourced. - Anas ^talk? 11:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per everyone else. Acalamari 16:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless backed up by non-trivial secondary sources by end of this AfD. As is fails WP:A and WP:BIO Special Cases Alf^Photoman 20:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I am considered by many artists within the field as a valuable contributor to the visionary art scene. Right now the visionary art scene is somewhat esoteric, so unless you take the time to research it you may not appreciate my contributution.

I have written the wiki entry on visionary art and many of the practicing artists there have wiki entries. I have added a wiki entry for myself and it appears 'resurgent insurgent' has it in for me for some reason. This entry is simply to contexturise my work within the visionary art scene. I'm not 'self advertising'. Most of the projects I have conducted within the visionary art movement have been to bring more attention to artists in this scene.

I have been published in several journals considered important to the contemporary visionary art scene. These include 'The Visionary Revue' at visionaryrevue.com (check the page to see the high profile of my projects'. The famous visionary artist Oleg Korolev has claimed that the www.lila.info project, run by myself, represents best the current scene as it stands.

I have published several unique interviews with the representatives of the visionary art movement and also produced historical and theoretical contexturisations of the scene. Only two other people, Laurence Caruana and Jon Beinart, are involved in this work.

I am also an apprentice of the famous artist Brigid Marlin www.brigidmarlin.com... she runs the Society for Art of the Imagination, which is considered one of the most important organisations in the visionary art scene. I have written several articles and had work published in the Inscape magazine which is one of the only regular journals to cover the visionary art movement. My membership to ths society can be verified with Brigid Marlin or my work viewed on the societies site.

I have had work published by Elfintome which is the West coast flagship for the visionary art movement.

Basically, I feel foolish by these neccesary self-justifications but I feel my integrity and intention is being questioned by this action to remove my existence from Wikipedia. My work is considered important by people within this fledgling scene, but I can understand from the perspective of someone who knows nothing about this movement that my wiki entry may seem pointless. But is that fair to judge unless someone is aware of this scene in detail ? I don't go to areas of wiki that I know little about and then question peoples relevance or the integrity of their work.

Daniel Mirante

Danielmirante 12:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so looking at the big red signs pasted onto the wiki entry in my name, and surveying the objections to the wikipedia guidelines (which do say "is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense"... and "is a guideline, not a policy", I had my partner the editted wikipedia entry, so it no longer conforms to 'autobiography', nor does it fall under biography because it is not a life review. It is a discussion of a participant in the visionary art scene and is intended to be an informational source on my work.

Just because the 'judges' of this entry may not be aware of the field under discussion here does not give grounds for deletion, since this would be an act of deletion through a prejudice toward subject matter... or rather ignorance of subject matter ... visionary art may be irrelevant to you but this is not the basis on which information should be deleted from wikipedia.

Also, 'lack of reliable sources', I want to know what 'reliable' means as this is not quantified by wiki.

Resurgent Insurgent is wrong about 'lack of reliable sources' - there are several websites (www.elfintome.com, www.lila.info, www.visionaryrevue.com, www.artofimagination.org etc) and publications that carry my work, and I am the apprentice of a painter who is acknowledged as a visionary master artist. What is so unreliable about this ? You may never have heard of my work but the people involved in the scene under discussion have.

Similarly my friend has provided avenues to verify the existence of my art career and writings, which may be of no personal interest or relevance to you, but will be to people interested in visionary art.

Wikipedia has room to grow... it is not a paper encyclopedia. If it is useful to the people concerned with visionary art then let it be  !

Best Daniel Mirante

80.229.40.235 15:36, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Quote by Oleg Korolev, visionary art master

"By the way such art enthusiasts as Brigid Marlin ( and her "Society of Art of Imagination"), Jon Beinart ( and this forum) and Keith Wigdor ("Surrealism Now") , Daniel Mirante ( lila.info ), actually represent this movement now ... AND THAT IS ALL...! "

http://www.koro-art.com/ http://surrealartforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1017

15:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Painting of Daniel Mirante by Brigid Marlin , founder of the Society of Art of Imagination

http://brigidmarlin.com/Pages/CatholicMysteries/Resurrection.html

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