The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Note that no less than five of the keep votes are by sock puppets. — JIP | Talk 15:37, 19 November 2005 (UTC) --I am curious where the number of five came from and how you came to this conclusion. My apologies for the edit, but I feel this statement is incorrect. Also, I cannot be bothered for a review of deletion--Jbutter 01:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dattebayo[edit]

Non-notable; strongly suspect that it is troll playground full of nonsense; even the linked website looks fake; the subject isn't appropriate for wikipedia - Motor (talk) 10:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: the article is accurate and verifiable, and the links are not fake (the group and their recent releases, apart from Naruto, can be verified by checking on AnimeSuki: [1]). Whether the subject-matter is suitable for Wikipedia is another question. — Haeleth Talk 15:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Dattebayo is currently the biggest fansub group for Naruto, an extremely popular series. However, there is nothing notable about them beyond that, so I don't feel it warrants an article. mdd4696 15:26, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Wikipedia isn't the place to list information like this, even if the group IS somewhat notable for continuing to release illegal fansubs of a US licensed property. If an article like this is left in place, what comes next? Listing warez/hackz sites? Nezu Chiza 16:54, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Mdd4696. Paolo Liberatore (Talk) 17:44, 12 November 2005 (UTC)3[reply]
• Comment. It is when its one if not the largest site when torrents are downloaded. Terabytes of info each week. And it is only recently that the united states has aquired the rights to naruto. Skyswordsman17:51, 13 November 2005
• Keep informative + verifiable article. None of the "linked websites" are fake. No evidence of a "troll playground" aside from occasional vandalism of the article. --Timecop 00:59, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Artice gives useful info. All content can be verified and links are not trolls. Group has had impact in fansubbing circles.--68.191.79.202 01:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I see no claim to being the largest anime subbing group. You can verify the download counts presented on the torrent page of the website (yhbt.mine.nu/t/). The website and irc links are both valid. This page is only informational regarding the name, it is no less valid then any other subbing group's articles (which several of which already exist). The information is presented in an objective way, not expressing opinions.--131.128.143.182 01:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Point out the other "subbing group" cruft, and I'll be happy to submit the articles for deletion, because they don't belong here either. - Motor (talk) 02:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: article is very factual in nature, and in my opinion at least, does NOT violate any of the policies on deletion. the article isn't self-promoting or in any way a 'troll', the linked website is Dattebayo's official site and tracker, definitely not a troll site. To make a simple analogy: According to the Wikipedia guide on band listings (which release work for public consumption just like fansub groups), a band may be listed if it has had a song listed on a top 100 chart. This implies that for bands at least, fame and success (and records) are the criteria for being listed on Wikipedia. Extending this observation to fansubbing, as the single-most-downloaded group actively releasing, I believe Dattebayo has earned its place on Wikipedia, just like 3 Doors Down or the Beatles. -alx

Comment: Really... The Beatles eh? I hope some admin is taking note of the number of IP/new users/socks voting here. - Motor (talk) 02:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I think the article is informative, and would enjoy seeing other fansubbing groups start their own pages. As it stands, the fansub community is quickly growing in popularity, and no group should be exempt/censored/deleted from the pages of wikipedia.--Bakashrimp 01:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The article allows for information about Dattebayo to be more accessible to an audience that does not necessarily take part in the anime community. I feel this is the main reason for Wikipedia--allowing information to be more accessible to the general public.--Jbutter 02:23, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Article offers comprehensive and concise information that is not generally available without more extenseive research. Interactii 02:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and beat back SP with a stick. Dottore So 15:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: useful information on a very influential group in the fansubbing community. Phorque 19:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Unencyclopedic. *drew 16:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.