The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete with no prejudice against the suggestion to create the article Amazing Race 10 contestants and then merge it there. If you need the deleted content for such an article, ask me or another administator to provide it. —Doug Bell ^talk 13:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Conley, Jr.[edit]

David Conley, Jr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable reality television (Amazing Race) contestants. Competing on All-Stars doesn't make them notable.

I just wish to add that there is currently a conflict between myself and the article creater Evrik (see [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]) which has led to Evrik falsely accusing me of Wikistalking (I "stalk" my watchlist but nothing else). Please note that I made it fairly clear with this edit that if s/he was going to create those two articles they would be put up for deletion on the grounds of notability.

Also up for nomination: Mary Conley‎ -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 01:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT: I WISH TO REGISTER MY EXTREME ANGER AT EVRIK MESSING UP MY NOMINATION. I have just discovered that Evrik has messed with the nominations I created David Conley and one other group nom for TAR contestants. He has also messed up the Articles for Deletion page by creating a subheading for "Amazing Race contestants". Let it be known that I am reverting all these edits and putting things back to their original state, as I feel that I, as nom, have a right to do. If other editors disagree with this decision of mine they are welcome to take it up with me on my talk page and I will be more than willing to discuss it. I believe this is part of a pattern of harassment of me by Evrik which is detailed here. Please also note that I will soon be creating a Request for Comment page in regards to Evrik’s actions in the past few days. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• In light of this, Evrik is advised to use a lighter hand with the activities of PageantUpdater and engage other editors and administrators in policing what is seen as needing same. It is very unnecessary to brign personal disputes into AFD. --Dhartung | Talk 00:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Contestant is currently on television and is notable. Also, this nomination is being made because of PageantUpdater's WikiStalking campaign against me.

--evrik ^(talk) 02:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • Alterate proposal After sleeping on it, I think that creating Amazing Race 10 contestants and Merging is appropriate. --evrik ^(talk) 14:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from personal attacks. I am not wikistalking you, as I made clear here, people are not notable merely because they have appeared on reality television. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 02:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Alerting people to the fact that this article was nominated becauise of your haraasment is not a personal attack. --evrik ^(talk) 14:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that four articles about Amazing Race winners were nominated for deletion for the same reason yesterday: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Branaman -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 02:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and Merge both together. Neither is notable with out the other, but together they are notable, as they appeared not only on TAR 10, but also on TAR All:Stars, and they also managed to get a free house from the view.. EnsRedShirt 02:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge into list of TAR contestants. Contestant on reality television are not inherently notable. As for evrik I would be more careful throwing around accusations. --Daniel J. Leivick 02:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or merge to an appropriate article if such exists. No secondary sources are cited to show that this person is in himself a notable subject, any reasons behind the nomination aside. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me Please review me!} 04:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Non-notable TAR contestant both in and outside of the race. Simply appearing on a TV program does not ensure notability. --Madchester 04:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. --MaNeMeBasat 06:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, is notable and there appears to be something else going on here... breaking WP:POINT perhaps? Or something. Mathmo ^Talk 16:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect David and Mary into a single article David and Mary Conley. Appearances on TAR 10 plus TAR All-Stars plus all the appearances on Regis and The View are sufficient to establish notability. Note discussion at WP:FICT and WP:BIO talk pages regarding articles for reality show contestants. I would also suggest that calling other editors "stalkers" is not civil. Otto4711 16:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, once again Otto4711 has come up with a good idea. Merging together would be a good idea, because they are famous as a couple and thus having two articles would mean a lot of duplicated information (though I'm fine with two, just a single article seems like a better idea). Mathmo ^Talk 17:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I disagree. The article on the two of them together was already made 3 months ago, I prod'd it, and another editor made it a simple redirect to the TAR10 article, which it's sat at, uncontested for the 3 months since then. The fact that now, 3 months later, the individual articles on these two contain no information that wasn't already in the tiny stub article on them as a couple (aside from the line "will appear in TAR All-stars") tells me that these are definitely non-notable people right now, and don't need their own article. --Maelwys 17:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Lack of editor attention does not in and of itself mean that the subject is not notable. Otto4711 17:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • True, but I was referring more to the fact that even three months later there's almost nothing for you to add to the article to bring it "up to date". It's still a tiny stub with little chance of growing. By the end of TAR All-Star, it'll have one more line of "David and Mary finished in nth place". If they win, then they might become notable and the article worthy of recreation. But until we see the result of the new season (which hasn't even started yet), I don't think there's enough notability here to justify the article. --Maelwys 17:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-notable reality show contestants, the article is a perma-stub unless they win All-Stars. But simply appearing on it doesn't mean they need an article. --Maelwys 17:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I had not realized that David and Mary Conley already existed. It wasn't linked. --19:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• David and Mary Conley had been previously created and then redirected to The Amazing Race 10. For purposes of this discussion I undirected it so that there would be a logical target if the decision here was to redirect. If David and Mary are deemed not notable enough to sustain either individual or joint articles, I will redirect the joint article back to TAR 10. Otto4711 19:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge, into article containing info about contestents per season or to the other article that was suggested. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 12:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.