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The result was delete. Valley2city^‽ 02:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dean Grubb[edit]

Contested PROD. Player fails WP:ATHLETE as he has never played in a fully-pro league, and youth caps at international level do not confer notability. Giant Snowman 13:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Being a youth player for Wales doesn't make him notable. Spiderone (talk) 16:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete And there's no evidence that he's notable in any other way either. Nyttend (talk) 23:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per lack of notability under our criteria for athletes. Pedro : Chat 23:57, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep is notable via under-21 international. Please note that WP:ATH refers to 'level' not 'league'. Eldumpo (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete playing international youth football is not the highest level a footballer can play at, as they can go on to play for the full senior side. Grubb has not played in the highest possibly level of national football or fully-professional league/competiton thus failing the criteria at WP:ATH. --Jimbo^[online] 22:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ATH does not refer to 'highest level' or 'national football' or 'fully professional league/competition' Eldumpo (talk) 22:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:ATH; "People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport" and "...competed at the highest amateur level of a sport", so for footballers, that would mean fully-professional leagues and competitions or international football. --Jimbo^[online] 23:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that the 'amateur' reference is relevant here. Under 21-internationals are paid, there's nothing saying only senior international footballers. It is only a guide anyway. Eldumpo (talk) 10:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ATH isn't a guide, it's inclusion criteria for sportspeople. Footballers in the deepest depths of non-league are paid, doesn't make them notable. --Jimbo^[online] 11:29, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quote from WP:BIO 'This notability guideline for biographies is not policy' Eldumpo (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're getting confused with things here. Policies are of course different to inclusion criteria. WP:N and it's subsidaries reflect consensus of what makes a person notable. There is not clear "policy" as to what it deleted or not, hence we have the criteria. --Jimbo^[online] 14:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:ATHLETE, playing with a youth international team is definitely not the "highest professional level". No way. --Angelo (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

please note there is no reference to 'highest professional level' in the guidance. Eldumpo (talk) 09:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE as he has not competed at a fully-profession level, and there is no indication that he satifies general notability guidelines. Bettia (bring on the trumpets!) 14:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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