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The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Carter G. Woodson African American History Museum[edit]

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Three-line stub about a local museum in Florida, written by a disruptive sockpuppet but probably edited enough that it wouldn't qualify for G5. I prodded the article with the rationale Doesn't look notable in the least; most local museums aren't — I don't see any evidence to say that it's notable. Prod removed by Bearian on procedural grounds, "Anything concerning African-American History is likely to be controversial", but he didn't address the notability issue. He suggests redirecting, but I don't see anywhere we could reasonably redirect it; redirecting it to the city where it's located wouldn't be helpful, since city articles normally don't mention museums, except of course when there's a major museum that has its own article. Nyttend (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you, Nyttend. Redirect to the city of St. Petersburg, Florida, or transwiki to Wikivoyage. It's not notable in its own right, but might be a reasonable search term. Bearian (talk) 22:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, based on reliable sources available. Search on "Woodson museum petersburg" or other slightly more general search terms. The museum, in 2014, is in difficulty; there was a proposal that St. Petersburg College take over in some fashion. One of a number of articles covering it is: More talks to come over future of woodson african american museum. If redirected, a better target would be List of Florida museums. It would be ironic to redirect the museum to a government article, as there seems to be community and/or museum board conflict vs. government going on. But best simply to keep; there are probably older sources, and current conflict = current coverage = GNG notability met. --do ncr am 18:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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--do ncr am 18:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- I could go along with a redirect to List of museums in Florida. Bearian (talk) 14:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure The source provided by Doncram meets WP:RS but that source alone is not enough to keep this article. If another source or preferably two could be found then I would say keep; otherwise delete. I am not sure why the news reports that the museum is closing when no one otherwise published on what it was doing. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, in respected Tampa Bay Times, was "More talks to come over future of Woodson African American museum", of 5/22/14 by Katie Mettler, linked above, and also in Tampa Bay Times there are:
  - [Carter Woodson Museum begins to feel its oats from January 10, 2009
  - Woodson museum pays homage to Negro league baseball, by Robert La Rocca, March 24, 2009
  - Carter G. Woodson museum could lose funding under city council proposal, by Katie Mettler, October 1, 2014
  - Some upset by proposed change at St. Pete African-American history museum, by Katie Mettler and John Woodrow Cox, May 20, 2014
  - And it's the starting point, with a historic plaque, of a new African-American history trail, per African-American Heritage Trail to open in St. Petersburg Saturday, by Waveney Ann Moore, August 7, 2014
- and many more about exhibits, etc., in search results on "Woodson museum" in Tampabay.com search pages.
- And there are Form 990 reports for the 501c3 nonprofit at Guidestar (free account required)
- There's mention in Nonprofit Quarterly, in context of article about difficulties for African American history museums as a group, Nonprofit Quareterly article on "The State of Black Museums, part I", June 2014.
- and more. --do ncr am 09:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - All the sources indicated by doncram demonstrate notability of this museum. --Oakshade (talk) 05:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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