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The result was delete. Specific sources are not cited for retention. MBisanz ^talk 08:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exaile[edit]

Exaile (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Non-notable. No claim to notability. Claim is that this is a porting effort from one open-source project (which also may not be notable) to another. After the first paragraph, is a list of features pretty much identical to any media player. Entirely unsourced except to the project web page. ) Miami33139 (talk) 00:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The only refs are to it's website (self-refs don't count). flaminglawyer 01:01, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I don't have time to fix the article myself, but Exaile been reviewed by several good sources (Linux.com and Softpedia come up at the top), all of which rate it highly and compare it to Amarok. I might also add that it's one of the twenty featured projects on Launchpad, one of largest and most important free software portals on the internet. Estemi (talk) 02:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do these indicate notability, or just that the software exists? A download site like softpedia is kind of expected to write things that will draw people to it, they also indicate it has a pitiful number of downloads. Have any major mainstream news written about this software, or is it just another open-source project which gets geek awareness but little use? Miami33139 (talk) 02:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well said :) . flaminglawyer 02:49, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Exaile is installed in 40345 PCs on Ubuntu. It is more than QEMU. See result of Ubuntu Popularity Contest: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/universe/by_inst .--Nazodane (talk) 05:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

40,000 installs is not that much for a media player. Even Zune beats that. This argues against notability, not for it. Miami33139 (talk) 20:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You misunderstand popcon. It's voluntary and only measures machines and distros using the Ubuntu universe repositories. As a population sample it indicates that Exaile is in the top three percentile of popular Linux applications, and by extrapolation has a usership of several hundreds of thousands conservatively. Estemi (talk) 22:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is still a minor amount in the field of media players! Even if it numbered in the millions, popularity does not always mean notability. The Ubuntu popularity contest is a fine primary source after you've established notability with multiple third party references showing mainstream recognition. Find those references and this discussion is over but the popularity contest cannot stand as an independent measure of notability. Miami33139 (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Estemi and Nazodane have shown several sources for the article. --Falcorian ^(talk) 08:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The only potential sources I found were [1] and [2]. I don't think that these two software reviews is enough to establish notability. -Atmoz (talk) 16:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.