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The result was Delete all Cenarium ^Talk 01:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ez math[edit]

Carlos C. Estrella, Ez math and EZ Math Learning Center all fail WP:NOTE, author hasn't added any independent sources yet and I couldn't find any myself. Amalthea (talk) 09:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per lack of WP:RS and WP:N as of June 2008. Artene50 (talk) 10:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. —Lenticel ^(talk) 10:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Author's Comment: The author has, when I proposed the articles for deletion, left a comment on my talk page, which I'll duplicate here:

I would like to inform you that I won't be able to provide you with Verifiable Sources about my math system. I was featured twice in Rated-K, a Sunday TV program in Channel 2, Manila Philippines. Rated-K is kind enough to provide me a personal copy of the interview but I signed an agreement with them that I can't use the video tape for commercial purposes without their permission except for personal use. I can upload to you the taped interview if that will verify my existence. I have registered the eZ Math Learning Center in the Department of Trade and Industries here in Makati City Philippines.

If you are looking for web links to independent press articles about this method, as of this moment I regret to inform you that I will be unable to provide you with any web links to independent press articles about my math system.

I just started my tutorial center in Pasig City, Philippines. I have taught more than 500 students and it is still growing. That is also the reason why ::I was featured because I am slowly gaining popularity compared with other math methods available in Manila, Philippines.

I can also send you pictures with my students who won the Battle of the Brains contest and the certificate that I have the copyright for the same title. ::I have also students who can subtract in billion digit very fast. I have also a letter from a parent who express her satisfaction about her daughter's improved performance especially in math subject.

I am still studying on how to set-up a website properly for eZ Math but as of this moment, I am partially successful. You can check my partially completed websites at http://www.geocities.com/ez.math and at www.ezmathlive.com.

At http://www.geocities.com/ez.math, I was able to upload a picture of my daughter Nicole Ann Louise Estrella during the interview with ABS-CBN reporter. I am also new to this type of "publishing in website" since I am a technical person.

You can also check my friendster address at ez.math

yahoo.com. Kindly follow this link: http://profiles.friendster.com/31287227 to view my friendter page. To view about my daughter's television interview with channel 2, kindly follow this link: http://www.friendster.com/photos/31287227/0/486052923 and http://www.friendster.com/photos/31287227/1/621549224.

This friendster address acts as a forum for my students to send me any messages they wish to express. It also acts as a way to communicate to each other personally. You can also see my pictures with my students, my interview and my student's comments.

Other than those I have stated, I will be unable to provide you with any web links to independent press articles about my math system.

I hope my explanations will be enough to merit me an article. This will be my first time to produce an article about a math system which I truly love to teach.

I can prove to you that indeed my math system is very easy and it exist if you will only allow me to show you my system. I am an Engineering graduate from the Mapua Institute of Technology but I shift my career to teaching because I saw that I can help students appreciate and love math through my system. I also envisioned that someday I can contribute changing the world through eZ Math, my own math system.

If you will allow me to improve my article, I will try to improve them except the web links you requested me to provide you. I may also ask you for an assistance e.g. tips on how to improve notability of my articles.

If you will be unable to process my concern and you still decided to delete my articles about eZ Math, its okey. I just pray that when the time comes that I will be again featured in any Manila based press article, I pray that you will allow me to be included in the Wikipedia.

I really appreciate your time writing to me and giving me an opportunity to express my thoughts.

For further inquiries, you can also send me a reply at my email: ez.math

yahoo.com

Again, thank you for your time and understanding.

Sincerely,

Carlos C. Estrella

eZ Math system founder, a Math teacher

Amalthea (talk) 11:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm sorry but we cannot include your articles here in Wikipedia if there are no multiple, independent and reliable sources that talks about you or your learning center. Rated K is a reliable Philippine program. However, I think that it is not enough to confer notability as we require multiple sources to establish notability. I suggest that you create an article in WikiPilipinas instead as they focus on everything Filipino. I don't know if they changed their notability standards lately but I think they're more lenient compared to Wikipedia.--Lenticel ^(talk) 11:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The system may have featured on Rated K but google news turns up no results, i'd check news.google.com.ph (G News Ph edition), but it doesn't exist yet, so without anything but the TV show to go by, I cannot conclude that Ez math meets [[[WP:N|general notability guidelines]]. Atyndall93 | talk 12:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete Per the author's assertion that reliable sources will not be provided, unless independednt sources are provided, this is nothing but blatant advertising. At best this article should be changed to a redirect to the mental arithmetic article. HatlessAtless (talk) 15:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not enough to assert notablity, but congrats for being featured on Rated K. Starczamora (talk) 19:07, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is not an article about Ez math. It's about telling people just enough about Ez math to make them want to pay money in order to find out more about Ez math, or, put another way, an advertisement. I don't expect that Dr. Estrella would want to reveal the secret of something upon which he depends for making a living, so unless he is prepared to let another editor do just that, it's best that he let this go. Mandsford (talk) 00:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all three articles. Not notable enough, at least even in the Philippines. And more importantly for me, knowing that it was Rated K who ---I have issues with Rated K showing segments which directly or indirectly featuring their advertisers (it once ran a feature about tongkat ali and how it fared better than other sex enhancers and, among others, interviewed an employee of a tongkat ali manufacturer whose advertisement ran immediately after that segment ended). Ez math was featured in Rated K because their staff "discovered" it and decided to run a "news" segment about it? I don't think so. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Author's Comments: See Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ez math. --Amalthea (talk) 08:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I posted my own take there. Thanks. --- Tito Pao (talk) 02:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- no assertion of notability. Advertising. Probably should be speedy deletion. MidgleyDJ (talk) 07:54, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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