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The result was no consensus. Many comments on both sides are simply variations of "Meets / Doesn't meet WP:GNG and / or WP:NFOOTY" without expanding on the rationale. Only two editors supplied sources for discussion, and only one editor gave any sort of refutation. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:07, 16 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Fabian Benko (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG, as Benko has never made an appearance in a fully professional league (the cup match he played in was against a team in the Regionalliga, which is not fully professional), has never made a senior international appearance, and has no solid independent notability. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 04:38, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 04:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 04:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The DFB-Pokal is definitely not a fully professional tournament. The point of it is to include amateur sides from the lower leagues. A player participating in a cup match would only meet WP:NFOOTBALL if both teams are from a WP:FPL. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 06:09, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'd argue that on two points. 1. He made his debut for Bayern Munich (a WP:FPL club) not the amateur club. 2. The notability surely lies in the stature of the competition and not the opposition? Liam E. Bekker (talk) 09:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't understand how this is any different from the last deletion discussion, where two of those sources were mentioned. The third link is another minor, one-sentence comment by Guardiola on Benko. Once again, the DFB-Pokal match was not between two teams in fully professional leagues, and therefore are not notable per WP:NFOOTY. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 18:59, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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- I don't see how it passes GNG, there are very few articles, just like the last deletion discussion, and they all seem to be short and based off a short quote from his former manager Guardiola. A short comment on a youth player at his former club might become a talented player at some point in the future is not significant coverage. There are no interviews with the player, nor are there any significant articles summarising his career to date, which is to be expected, as he has not actually done anything noteworthy yet. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 08:48, 23 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- What media coverage? The few articles there are seem to be based off a short quote. Not much has changed since the last deletion discussion, nor have there been many new articles. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 16:48, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- As Fenix down mentioned about the article last time, this is not as much about the player in question, but rather an article on the wider Bayern youth setup/experience. "Benko is mentioned briefly with the article noting a couple of friendly appearances. This is not significant coverage, despite the fact that his name is mentioned in the headline." Secret Agent Julio (talk) 19:25, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- His appearance in the DFB-Pokal is entirely irrelevant, per WP:NFOOTY. There is very little media coverage about him other than listing him as another one of Bayern's youth products. Which is exactly the reason why his article on the German Wikipedia was deleted. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 21:32, 2 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- That is entirely irrelevant, as WP:NFOOTY clearly states that only matches between two fully professional teams make a player notable. The cup match he played in was against a team in the Regionalliga, which is not fully professional. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 16:13, 4 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Secret Agent Julio: I came along hoping to close this. I find many folks making this argument, but NFOOTY does not actually appear to say this. Where are you getting this from? A fair bit of the arguments here hinge on this point. Vanamonde (talk) 09:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- This is from consensus from a lot of AfDs historically. Often, young players will get their first appearances in cup competitions for experience. The way we apply NFOOTY there is to consider the relevant leagues the two competing teams were in. For example, in this instance, Benko's one appearance to date was against FC Carl Zeiss Jena, who play in the German regional leagues. A league appearance against this team would not fulfill NFOOTY given that the league the club plays in is not fully professional, therefore it is considered that a cup competition appearance against such a team, even if the other side is from a fully professional league is also not notable enough to demonstrate subject-specific notability. Either way though, Benko has failed to make a league appearance so far and therefore fails NFOOTY. There is still, as was established in the previous GNG, no clear wider coverage beyond multiple regurgitations of the same brief quotes by his manager. Fenix down (talk) 11:06, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree, playing a few minutes in a 5:0 win against an ametuer team is not extremely signfigant, and does not make one notable. Being a minor match, he was substituted in as a test to gauge his talent (which is why he has not started/been on the bench for any more important matches yet). WP:NFOOTY prevents such minor appearances like this from being notable for a reason. Also, NFOOTY is an official guideline based off a long-standing consensus, this is not the place to argue against it. His article was deleted on the German Wikipedia as they understand he is just a youth prospect, who eventually may warrant an article, but not at the moment. Secret Agent Julio (talk) 21:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The relationship between GNG and the SNGs varies. In the case of sports, it's a limitation, necessary because of the very large amount of coverage people in this field get. DGG ( talk ) 21:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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