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The result was merge to Football in Tuvalu. MBisanz ^talk 00:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Football at the Tuvalu Games[edit]

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This is a wholly unreferenced article that does not indicate why it is notable. A google search shows effectively no third party reports on the Tuvalu games themselves, let alone the football competition. The winners of this do not seem to progress to any form of continental competition either and I am not able to find any source to substantiate the results given, which form the vast majority of the article. Seems to fail WP:GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is just like the other tournaments, a relevant tournament. The tournament carries also the name Tuvalu Cup. This Article has existed if since January, and if it has been not relevant, it will remove already its. And this is the source :http://www.tnfa.tv/pages.php?page=53 --Klant01 (talk) 12:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This response is not suitable as an argument to keep the article for the following four three reasons:

1. "It is a relevant tournament" is about as clear a version of WP:JNN as it is possible to have. One of the issues with this article is at no point does it show why it is relevant or notable.

2. "The tournament carries also the name Tuvalu Cup" statement is unsourced and is not even mentined in the article itself. There are also three other cups in Tuvalu which all seem to have identical entry criteria (i.e. everyone), namely Tuvalu Independence Cup, NBT Cup and Christmas Cup. If it is indeed the national cup of Tuvalu then it is inherently notable, but this must be shown to be the case.

3. As stated in all the other deletion discussions you have responded to, please try to avoid using the "It's been here for ages so should stay argument". This is completely irrelevant and is specifically one argument that editors are asked to avoid here.

4. That source is a primary source and does not confer notability of the competition. ~~Also, that link does not even appear to mention the Tuvalu games at all, it is about the two players coming to VV Brabantia.~~ Fenix down (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - appears to fail WP:GNG. – Kosm1 fent 19:33, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. soccerway has this cup which tells me it'S probably the main cup in tuvalu right now. it could need work though. -Koppapa (talk) 19:36, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The problem with that is that when you look at the menu here and expand Tuvalu, it is simply referred to as "Domestic Cup". Both the FA and League Cups are referred to as domestic cups, so I don't think it is safe to make that assumption as that website provides no criterion by which the official national cup can be deduced concretely. In addition that website is also clearly incomplete. On the same link if you expand Guam, you will see just the domestic league, but on rsssf there is clearly a national FA Cup.

It would also seem odd to me that there are three other standalone cups all with seemingly identical entry requirements and one, the Independence Cup, which has been running much longer than the Tuvalu Games, yet a tournament within a multi-discipline games would be the official cup. That just doesn't make any sense to me. However, if someone could provide a source to show this is the official cup, then that would be fine. Fenix down (talk) 20:18, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well in absence of a OFC Cup winners cup, you wont find any info on which the most prestigious cup is. The island only has eight clubs, so they surely all play all cups. All are organised by the Association, so they are all "official". -Koppapa (talk) 07:00, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you not? If the competition fulfills WP:GNG that is exactly what I would expect to find. If you go to the official website, it is the last to be mentioned here and the competitions are not mentioned in the order in which they were founded, so it seems very unlikely to me that this is the official competition, merely a competition that may be organised by the FA but one that exists within a larger event. I feel I have to say that while I accept your comments are made in good faith, they rest entirely on assumptions. Can you please show where sources indicate that this is the national cup competition and if you cannot do this, please provide sufficient third party sources on this competition so that in your mind it fulfills WP:GNG, that is all that is being asked as currently there is a wealth of information on football, competitions and players in Tuvalu that is completely unreferenced and at no point can reliably show notability. Fenix down (talk) 08:18, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was just saying each of these four cups is a "national cup", as all teams in the country compete in them. I'm aware most likely all four of them fail GNG. -Koppapa (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Football in Tuvalu - no evidence of independent notability. GiantSnowman 09:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I know the football in Tuvalu complete good. For this reason say I also, that it is just like the other tournaments. Organised by the TNFA. It has been since this year for the men, women and also B teams. It is an important football tournament on Tuvalu. --Klant01 (talk) 21:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think that there is any doubt that you are the main source of knowledge on Tuvaluan footbal here, but unfortunately, as I noted here, we don't rely on editors' knowledge, but indepenant, reliable sourcing. a redirect to Football in Tuvalu does seem to be the best result as it is a nationwide competition, but still appears to be one that has trouble asserting its own individual notability. Fenix down (talk) 22:26, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 17:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per Giant Snowman.--Charles (talk) 21:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The Tuvalu Games (Tuvalu Cup) are just like the other tournaments a important soccer Cup. It has been set up in 2008. The Christmas Cup in 2010. It is the only cup on Tuvalu where also women have a tournament. --Klant01 (talk) 14:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into either Football in Tuvalu or Tuvalu Games, or both. Bearian (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Noted in third-party sources like Soccerway and WorldSoccer.com, but such coverage seems routine and trivial and doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. Looks like all content here has been boldly merged into Tuvalu Games by MozzazzoM (talk), so supporting merging into that seems unnecessary now. Sideways713 (talk) 11:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Further comment If we're going to delete this, we really ought to delete Football at the 2012 Tuvalu Games – Men's tournament and Football at the 2012 Tuvalu Games – Women's tournament... Sideways713 (talk) 11:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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