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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hardcore trance[edit]

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Lacking citations and term considered to be incorrect by peers Alan.ca 18:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC) In the talk page for hardcore trance a discussion was initiated to debate the merits of merging the article with two other articles. I arrived at this page as I was processing backlogged merge requests and found that the merge discussion had actually favored deletion of the article Hardcore Trance. Many different users stated the term is incorrect and the possibly of merging it with other articles was therefore opposed. I examined the article to see if any cited sources were included to suggest the term had an established history, but I was able to find none. The discussion on talk:hardcore trance has more details in support of this motion. Alan.ca 18:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Procedural note: AfD was transcluded improperly on yesterday's AfD discussions; moved to today's. theProject 02:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• delete a google search turns up very few uses of this term as a distinct genre of music, the way that the article claims. There appears to MAYBE be a band with this name, but that band is of questionable notability, with only self-promoted sales of its only CD. As the article is written, it is unverifiable, and thus non notable, and thus deletable. There is not evidence that this genre of music actually is noted in the music press. --Jayron32 05:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. MER-C 07:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Nashville Monkey 12:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not a notable genre. This is a made up genre and unverifiable genre. Terence Ong 15:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• comment I have heard bands self-identify as 'hard trance' but never as 'hardcore' trance. IF they can supply more assertions of important and uniqueness, maybe, as for now, I don't know enough to make an informed decision. Wintermut3 06:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've heard the phrase used before, but there are so many subdivisions of music that it's hard to know what they all mean. Although, in my opinion, the phrase is contradictory. So, I'm kind of indifferent here. I'd like to see it clarified and kept, but the odds that someone here knows what it means and can write a good article about it are rather slim. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 17:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• weak delete: After further research, I think you hit it on the head Disavan. The problems with musical hairsplitting within the electronica genre make it really hard to take anything resembling an encyclopedic approach to classification. As near as I can tell the onlyreal difference in bands self-identifying as 'hard trance' (which we have an aticle on)are in the band's self-identification. 'Hard' trance usually has higher BPM than the standard 140, 4/4 trance formula; greater use of distortion and and 'fuzzed out' bass such as a TR-303 and a generally more 'agressive' sound. Hardcore trance appears to be identical. Further muddying the issue is the overuse of 'hardcore' to describe rock-related genres marked for their agressive sound and high tempo, making a precise definition impossible and potentilly confusing. Wintermut3 21:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I don't believe the article. — coelacan talk — 05:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.