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The result was delete. Despite Great11 misleading vote count comment below as AFD is not a vote, consensus is clear here. Secret ^account 02:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hassane Amraoui

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Article is short and shows lack of notability EuroCarGT 04:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Brevity is not a reason for deletion. The referenced career review article from Le Carrefour des Opinions does make claims for the subject's notability ("parmi les professionnels les plus remarqués de Diversité artistique Montréal"). It does feel like more than that single source is needed, however. AllyD (talk) 06:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Simply being among the "prominent" members of an organization isn't really a very substantial notability claim, especially when that organization is of exclusively local focus and doesn't even have an article by which we can judge whether it's notable enough for us to care who its members are. Bearcat (talk) 06:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Banhtrung1 (talk) 05:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable firsts are sufficient for inclusion. He is notable look please at french wikipedia ( history of contribution) http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hassane_Amraoui&action=history

Please look at references french [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calise (talk • contribs) 09:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gouvernement of Quebec Canada [2] Book [3] look at this please [4] dictionary of algerien artiste from book google — Preceding unsigned comment added by Great11 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you --Calise (talk) 07:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment - The Books are nothing but a listing of various Algerian artists, nothing to give notability. One of them is just an updated version of the other. The Government website is about a class being offered by the subject, not about the subject. Worldpress is a blog website. Final two websites listed are 1st one a blog, and final one a facebook type page for artists. Having an article on another Wiki is not grounds for notability on the English Wiki. Caffeyw (talk) 05:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article was Notable --Vikoula5 (talk) 16:50, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 15:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Non-notable. No coverage in RS. Only mentions seem to be promotional in nature and/or not from RS. Caffeyw (talk) 05:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

comment Notable [8]

[9] lecarrefourdesopinions [10] lavireedesateliers [11] Aures [12] [13] [14] Maghreb culture [15] [16] Radio Canada [17] [18] arabesques-editions [19] [20] Ministry of Foreign Affairs Algeria official site [21] El Watan newspaper Algeria 2010 [22] ADD 2BOOKS REFERENCES GOOGLE BOOK 2 DICTIONARY OF ARTIST OF ALGERIA into references LOOK THE YEARS 2010 [23] book Algérie Art Plastique 2010 , Mansour Abrous, edition L'Harmatan [24] book Dictionnaire des artistes algériens: 1917-2006 - Page 25, Mansour Abrous, 2006, edition L'Harmatan [25] [26] THANK YOU --Calise (talk) 19:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- - Comment - Calise - I think you're not understanding what notability means. Having your name mentioned in a list of every Algerian artist when you're an Algerian artist is not a sign of notability. Having an announcement by a radio station that you're going to be on the show, is not a sign of notability. A routine PR release stating he's having an exhibit does not show notability. A biography page written directly by the subject does not show notability. Bottom line, yes there's tons of hits for his name. However the hits are not in articles about the subject, they're all either 1)Routine PR releases, 2)Facebook type pages edited by the subject/his PR team, 3)Blogs - Which are mainly just re-posting the announcements/PR releases, 4)Bio pages written directly by the subject or 5)His name being mentioned along with everyone else that qualifies in a book listing all "Algerian Artists". Yes I took a look at each page you posted, they're all the same missing the same things. Caffeyw (talk) 00:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Caffeyw but i follow the General_notability_guideline . --Calise (talk) 05:35, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No you didn't. Reliable sources are media coverage (newspapers, books, magazines, etc.) which is independent of the subject himself. Press releases do not count; his own website does not count; the webpages of galleries that have booked shows with him do not count; Wordpress blog entries do not count. And it is not sufficient for his name to merely be mentioned on a page (routine event listings, simple lists of artists, etc.), either. It is not enough to just be able to show sources which demonstrate that he exists; he has to be the primary subject of substantial coverage in reliable sources. So no, I'm sorry, but not even one of those links gets him past WP:GNG. (The Radio-Canada link would count if it was to the real interview, but not if it's just to the episode summary.) Show me articles about him in the arts section of Le Devoir or Le Journal de Montréal, show me a television interview on Radio-Canada's or TVA's arts magazine shows, show me he's been on Désautels (or dig out the actual Tam-Tam interview and not just the listing), show me feature articles about him in real magazines, and then maybe we'll talk. Bearcat (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per lack of valid reliable sources. No prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can write a good article about him, but this is not that article and these are not the sources that are going to get it there. Bearcat (talk) 06:37, 25 August 2013 (UTC) comment'[reply]

is it a reason to delete because is not a good article!?

he is algerian, he get his notability first in Algeria, if i see just sources but i don't found if the devoir or Journal de montreal write article, and is it a reason to delete? Thank you--Calise (talk) 07:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The devoir i get it sorry [27] Thank you--Calise (talk) 08:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're starting to get the right idea — but you're not there yet. That's just a news brief about somebody else winning an award — it has Amraoui's name in it, but he isn't its subject and it isn't a very long article. Bearcat (talk) 15:26, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

now What you think? we keep or we delete , I'm calise user Thank you --Great11 (talk) 09:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC) I edit the article in french but it is short, and i edit many articles in wikipedia french bigger than that, but i must have reference to write and i need help because my english is not number one, but we must have consensus we deleted or we keep because all my articles are short like this article Thank you --Great11 (talk) 10:33, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

this article in Liberté (Algeria) news press in Algeria, like El Waten, They are important in Algeria [28] The Subject is Tatouag Berber in Aurès, the reporter give only name of only painter in Algeria who represent the Aures 'D’ailleurs, l’artiste peintre Amraoui Hacene, installé au Québec, réalise de belles œuvres avec ces formes millénaires' I translate 'Moreover, the artist Amraoui Hacene installed in Quebec, produces beautiful works with these ancient forms'. , the reporter don't give another name of painter, we Know they are many painters in Aures but Why the reporter write only the name of Hassane Amraoui,????? for promotion or for money or for notability ???? We Have many painters in Aures in France ,etc, like Cherif Merzouki (Aurès), for example [29] , seriously if Hassane Amraoui was not notable , i'm first one who ask for delete the article in wikipedia in project Algeria french or another language , believe me and you can check for that in french wiki or english i have story in wikipedia since 2006 ( not reason to keep article i Know that ) , but i think the problem is language and others problem internet in Algerai since 1990 at 2000, but we have the text of Yve Lavo or [30] , the short article, in Devoir, yes but the drawing table is the prix (award) or prize , Why Hassane Amraoui drawing tables ( tableau de peinture) or canavas was the award or the prize, Marie receive it at Montreal ( honour)???? and [31] ( Reporter of news press El Waten at Montreal) and i have that [32] search for article of El Waten or [33] it is my last comment. Thank you very much for your time Bearcat and all users and 1000 sorry for my basic english, we keep or we delete, you decide, but i told keep --Great11 (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC) NB Ali Kichou is Notable but when i search in net look that [34] and that [35] he live in Canada too--Great11 (talk) 21:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC) please look at that M'hamed Issiakhem the great and the best painter of Algeria [36] wiki after Youtub and blog --Great11 (talk) 21:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC) Adel Abdessemed school of art of Batna Aures please look [37] same thing site blog gallery press facebook --Great11 (talk) 22:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found this text in net is in french Vues d’Hassane Amraoui

Article publié par Emilie Fondanesche _ Touki Montréal : 27 / 04 /2010

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And Yve Salavo blogg is Yvesalavo Yvesalavo [38] biographie of Yve Salavo Yve Salavo --Great11 (talk) 03:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great11 you can not post the actual contents of the website here, that's a copyright violation. I cut out all the copy/paste of the actual article, leaving the article's name. Post the link to a website, not the actual story. As for if they support notability, they do not. As Bearcat and I have both stated it needs to be an article about the subject and covered by and independent reliable source. One of the pages is just a routine announcement that Hassane is exhibiting in Montreal (which from what I can gather is the one and only time he's had any of his artwork shown). The other page is about someone else, but mentions Hassane's name. Caffeyw (talk) 05:15, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ok Thank you i delete sorry !--Great11 (talk) 05:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC) You delete it's ok --Great11 (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)--Great11 (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)--Great11 (talk) 05:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC) ok we delete but if i found or you found we can write the article , i edit some articles like that we delete because without independent reliable source ?--Great11 (talk) 05:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC) All the article Aïssa Djermouni,Ali Khencheli[reply]

Cherif Merzouki, Abdelkhader Houamel, Hassane Amraoui, Mohamed Demagh,Mohamed Temam, some here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Algerian_painters, etc. i think there is not independent reliable source you can check please before delete Caffeyw Thank you --Great11 (talk) 06:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC) we put[reply]

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Article is short and shows lack of notability ....... ...... August 2013 (UTC)

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I think we should waiting because i post in bistro ( wikipedia french ) one question, because for me all articles in visual art are notable ( sources) and discussion or consensus , because many articles in french wiki have the same references. i think we have big problem to resolve for notability. Thank you --Great11 (talk) 07:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notability for french art Visual [[39]]

in french être représenté dans les collections d'un musée reconnu. avoir réalisé au moins deux expositions personnelles, critiquées ou présentées par des médias nationaux (télévision, radio, presse…).

i add one source arabic language we can see his picture from Newspaper Anasser [40].

from the bistro [41] i think, there is two articles from news papers and we have one book ( short biography) , we can keep the article. In Wikipédia english i don't found the article Wikipédia:Notoriété des arts visuels english language, i think we keep because we have many webs site inline ( news). In the article we change the sources , we can add Anasser, newspapers. we can choise only two news paper and only one book( short biography) to keep article ( Entv Algeria ( tv national of Algeria) present the artist since 1998 but we can't acces inline) and many nes papers Algeria but we can acces to that information inligne Thank you --Great11 (talk) 13:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC) if we can acces to this article of El Waten , it will be good the last article but since 2012 we can not acces to 97, 98, 97, 96 [42] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Great11 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC) --Great11 (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)--Great11 (talk) 14:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We can keeped i found a good source 2012, it have many books and news papers and catalogues of Algeria Tunisa , Paris and Montreal reference of Hassane Amraoui since 1994 to 2012 [43] page 62 and 63--Great11 Thank you (talk) 15:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC) But we need help to edit a good article , and i suppose it's still short --Great11 (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete 4 and keep 2. We have concuss to close discussion, I think we have 15 days for talking about sources. we delete. Thank you.--Great11 (talk) 04:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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