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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 08:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hebrew exonyms[edit]

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De-prodded/repost. Deprodded because I thought that Given reason was WP:WPNOT (How-to guide and dictionary were mentioned.) My vote: Keep and improve. Doesn't qualify on either cited criterion because there are numerous "(Language) exonyms". Gosox5555 (talk) 22:22, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unaware of the principle that if numerous articles already violate Wikipedia policies and guidelines, then the policies and guidelines disappear. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wikipedia is not a how-to manual of, among other things, how to speak foreign languages. In Wikipedia, or any encyclopedia, why does it make any more sense to have a list of another language's words for various countries than it does to fill large articles with all the words each language has for almost anything? —Largo Plazo (talk) 03:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 19:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 19:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Wikipedia is emphatically not a dictionary, and especially not a dictionary of foreign terms not borrowed into English. Powers ^T 15:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: An exonym is interesting if it is unrelated to the native or English name of the place (e.g. names for Greece that are related to Ionia); if it illuminates the etymology of the native or English name (e.g. Arabic names in Spain); or, conversely, if it is an example of false etymology. That each language has its own names for places, conforming to its own phonology, is trivial. —Tamfang (talk) 06:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that particularly unusual exonyms can be have interesting stories, but even then, this isn't any more true of exonyms than it is of many other words, and I don't think we should rely on the non-objective notions of individual editors as to which words are or aren't interesting to override the general guidelines for what Wikipedia articles should and shouldn't be. —Largo Plazo (talk) 12:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Addendum to my comment: Anyone who wants to know the <language> name for <place> can consult the interwiki links. —Tamfang (talk) 23:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, (X! · talk)  · @740  ·  16:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The information is interesting, but not notable enough to belong in an encyclopedia. I am willing to change my opinion if someone comes up with more uses of the exonym, but after a Google search I don't think there is any. --PostScript (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per PostScript - WP:ILIKEIT does not win over WP:N here. Bearian (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment With the risk of using the 'other stuff exists excuse' and that frankly, the Hebrew list is OR, there is a whole cat related to thisCategory:Exonyms and I found previous discussion that went nowhere. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of European_exonyms if there is 'no consensus', I say delete. --Shuki (talk) 07:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I was prepared to like this article-- poor old Turkish exonyms got the boot a few months back on a rather silly bit of administration -- but this is based on someone's letter for letter transliteration of the Hebrew alphabet. "Meksiko", for instance, is apparently based on the idea that there is no "X" in Hebrew, and the letter "kaph" cannot stand for a "k" sound. While there are certainly going to be significant differences in names for places, most of the Hebrew spellings would be the closest approximation available. I don't think this is going to go anywhere, willing to reconsider if someone could demonstrate potential. Mandsford (talk) 20:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you saying it's not a list of names in actual use, but someone's OR transliterations? —Tamfang (talk) 23:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. There is not enought material to work with, and no references. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep expandable. Contrary to what Shuki says, we keep not delete when there is no consensus, per WP:AFD. DGG ( talk ) 18:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expandable to what? A longer list of trivia? —Tamfang (talk) 23:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's what I was about to say. Into an even larger violation of WP:DICDEF and WP:NOTHOWTO? I don't think anyone argued that the article should be deleted because it couldn't be expanded. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the way, Arabic exonyms has recently begun to develop into something that might be worth keeping. —Tamfang (talk) 16:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep What does the suggested alternative of 'interwiki links' actually mean? Wiktionary? I do not see a solid alternative to this list, and certainly not an accessible one. Keeping per Category:Exonyms is not an OTHERSTUFF reasoning, it is a reasoning of expedience with examples. Anarchangel (talk) 05:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's fine, but the original motivation for this debate were WP:DICDEF and WP:NOTHOWTO, and you haven't addressed those. —Largo Plazo (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think (and Tamfang, please correct me if I'm wrong) the suggestion is that if one wants to find, for example, the name of Netherlands in Hebrew, one can visit the page Netherlands and then click עברית in the 'languages' box at the side of the page. That will take you to הולנד at the Hebrew version of Wikipedia. Cnilep (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, that's what I meant. (syntax experiment: he:הולנד) —Tamfang (talk) 23:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this might be good on someone's blog or something. I haven't seen anything to convince me that this is notable, let alone worth bytes of WP. --Shuki (talk) 17:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Don't worry about the space, per WP:DWAP. I must say that I'm reconsidering my innitial vote. Gosox5555 (talk) 23:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete not encyclopedic; no analysis. Abductive (reasoning) 02:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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