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The result was keep. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 23:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Klanderud[edit]

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Does not meet criteria for biographical notability, majority of refs are from a single obit CompliantDrone (talk) 06:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• As disproportionately well known as Aspen, Colorado may be, its actual population is only in the 6K range — which is not large enough to confer an automatic presumption of notability on its mayors under WP:NPOL, and unfortunately this article is neither sourced enough to get over WP:GNG in lieu, nor substantive enough to make any real claim that she's in any way more notable than the norm. (Nothing in this article suggests that she accomplished anything unique, for example — it just lists a few completely standard accomplishments of the "all mayors do this" variety and details her raw electoral history.) So all in all, this is little more than a misplaced obituary which offers no genuinely substantive evidence of notability. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The sources used for this article are from independent news organizations, not family sources/obits as stated in previous comments on the Helen Klanderud: Revision history page (Aspen Daily News, Vail Daily, etc.). In addition to Mayor of Apsen, Klanderud held county-wide office as Commissioner on the governing body for the county. While it may be the largest county in the U.S., County Commissioners are increasingly included on Wikipedia as well. From a personal perspective, I tried to create a well cited, biographical article with supporting details, noting Klanderud's political and public career in Colorado and contributions to the region, in terms of healthcare policy, local government, etc. I also tried to make it balanced. My hope is to eventually expand the Aspen mayoral topics to include a Mayor of Aspen parent article with separate biographical articles on the town's other recent and historic mayors, though real-world responsibilities and obligations have delayed this potential expansion at present. All that aside, Klanderud's public career passes the test for inclusion here. Scanlan (talk) 02:19, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Our base rule for mayors is that a city has to have a population at least in the 50K-100K range before it can confer notability on its mayors under WP:NPOL — and even then, the city has to be closer to (or over) the higher end of that range before it's safely beyond any debate about whether the mayor is really notable enough to clear the bar. For a place as small as Aspen, you can't claim NPOL but rather have to get a mayor over WP:GNG by citing considerably more references than this — and at least some of those references would have to be to significantly larger and more widely-circulated newspapers, much more on the order of the Denver Post or The New York Times than anything you've offered here. A mayor in a town of just 6,600 people does not get over our inclusion bar on the basis of five citations to the local newspaper and local advertising directories. And county commissioners don't get an automatic NPOL pass either — just like smalltown mayors, we keep them if, and only if, they can be much more solidly sourced than this. Bearcat (talk) 21:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, two of those "local" sources are owned by Carson City, Nevada based Swift Communications and are nothing but advertorials for resorts and real estate companies. - CompliantDrone (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Aspen Times and Vail Daily newspapers have been published, in one form or another, since the 1880s and 1980s respectively, long before their acquisition by Swift Communications. Ownership of local U.S. newspapers and other publications by larger companies headquartered elsewhere is common and in no way discounts or excludes them as reputable sources, especially for news articles. While not owned by Swift, the same could be said for the Aspen Daily News, a daily publication that has been around since the late 1970s.Scanlan (talk) 03:10, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Note the expansion of the section on her work as mayor of Aspen on Climate Change, with attendant sources such as the Denver Post, summed in the lead as follows: "As mayor, Klanderud was an active proponent of efforts to study and address climate change, initiatives for which the city received national and international recognition" (World Wildlife Fund, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency). Her activity in this area, at national as well as regional and local forums, was not something "all mayors do". Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Multiple reliable sources meet the General notability guideline WP:GNG. -- GreenC 01:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. While Aspen is a smallish city, she used her role as Mayor of a high-profile city to advocate nationally for her issues. Bearian (talk) 01:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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