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The result was Delete and replace with Help (disambiguation). —Wknight94 (talk) 03:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This page is a rambling dictionary definition with an irrelevant list tacked on. I really doubt that people going to an article on "Help" are interested in random links to Begging and Soup kitchen. Moreover, I don't really see a way that any decent article could be written on help; it's an impossibly broad topic. About the only thing that could be done with it are endless examples of how everyone in every walk of life can sometimes ask for help, and that doesn't make for a good article (see: "Often in sports people may call out for "Help" signaling that they need assistance from one of their team mates").

If this page is deleted, Help (disambiguation) should be moved to Help instead, and possibly some of the links on this page moved to that page's See also section. SnowFire 22:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nom. If you need to look at Wikipedia to find out what "Help" means... you need help. Mandsford 23:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment This page's current state is mostly due to this edit by The Transhumanist, as part of his personal Crisis article improvement-drive. I noted my discomfort with the idea (along with others) at User_talk:The_Transhumanist/Help_me. I requested seconded the request that he bring the matter to the Village Pump or an RfC, but that has not happened. I'll point this discussion out to him so he can give his own explanation.
  See also wikt:Transwiki:Help which has a copy of an older version of the Help page, which may or may not be pertinent (the transwiki namespace is a sort of limbo, as it is not part of the default wiktionary searches). --Quiddity 03:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Due to Quiddity's evangelizing for wiki-neutrality, I simply agreed with him by dropping the drive. But Quiddity doesn't seem happy until you follow his prescriptions, even if you go out of your way to implement a different remedy. For example, when he believes that an issue should receive more discussion and comment, rather than requesting such comment personally he may instead impose this as a responsibility upon someone else, and then at any point from then on may openly complain about that person for not complying with his "suggestions". I can't speak for others, but I find that practice needlessly annoying (and possibly a minor form of harrassment). If Quiddity wants more comment, then Quiddity should request it himself, rather than pressure someone else into doing his bidding. In this case though, I believe an RfC will simply be beating a dead horse. The Transhumanist 18:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Umm, admin Richardshusr was the one who suggested an RfC, I just seconded the recommendation. I also stated that I understood that the topic might merit special treatment, and that this article would be a useful example for said discussion. It's not my project, and not my fault you ignored it.
  If you feel that the page's current state is defensible, then defend it (or improve it); but please don't attack me. --Quiddity 19:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• And by seconding it, that made it your recommendation as well. But by complaining about my not doing your bidding, you have turned it into more of a command than a suggestion (the implication being "do what I want you to do or I will complain about it until you do"). But the rest of you should know that this is not the first time Quiddity has used pressure tactics on me. He has even resorted to threatening me to try to get me to do his bidding. He seems to forget that this is a volunteer organization, and that ordering people around is totally out of place. I don't take kindly to threats and other forms of coersion, and will speak out against them every time. Quiddity, please stop. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 03:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I was writing a personal addendum for the last 30 mins, and just posted it at your talkpage and then noticed your reply here. It works as a reply to this thread too though, so I'll leave it at that. --Quiddity 04:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and replace with the disambiguation page, per nom, and per previous objections that its current state violates various aspects of WP:NOT. --Quiddity 03:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and replace The nom has it exactly- this is a giant, unnecessary ramble. In fact, the word "ramble" is used perfectly. Since there's no way to expand the concept of help beyond a dicdef- unless, as SnowFire states, it was a really lousy, pointless article- the dab should be moved to this title. -- Mike 07:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and replace per nom. Exactly on point. Bfigura ^(talk) 17:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - a disambiguation page would be more than adequate for the "help" topic. The Transhumanist 18:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Another solution found and implemented - ported the links from the Help#Resources for those in need of help section into crisis (expanding that to a full-fledged article), and student. Problem solved. The Transhumanist 21:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect Per Transhuman Mbisanz 18:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and Redirect per the above. ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 19:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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