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The result was delete. j⚛e decker^talk 03:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Houssein[edit]

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Subject appears to a non-notable youtube user, strongly suspect article is promotional in nature. Extremely poorly sourced article depending on non-reliable primary material. Author appears to have COI with subject at the very least, might actually be an autobiography. Did try to speedy but a brand new account appeared and removed the tag, hence the need to bring this to AFD. Dolescum (talk) 22:29, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an autobiography, we are not linked to Houssein, however did request information from him. Regarding the statement 'non-notable youtube user', Houssein is currently working along side television star David Grant and performing live at VidCon, as noted on VidCon's website. As well as being a star in 3 WestEnd musicals. He is also scheduled to perform live at VidCon 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGSChannel (talk • contribs) 22:34, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More sources have since been added, including: BBC, VidCon and The Sound Of Music UK Tour website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGSChannel (talk • contribs) 22:41, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I note that on 30 Decemember 2013 you attempted to create the article "PurneyGurneyStudios", which was itself subsequently speedied. This is recorded in the article under discussion as an inactive youtube account of it's subject and is clearly what the "PGS" in your username stands for. You clearly DO have some connection with the subject and to claim otherwise is risible. Dolescum (talk) 22:43, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The PGS in my name is linked to PuneyGuneyStudios, as i am a follower of PuneyGuneyStudios, and also it is a software i use called "PGS Software". I don't think it is fair to make assumptions, in an attempt to link me with Houssein. http://www.pgs-soft.com/en — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGSChannel (talk • contribs) 22:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also regarding the article being promotional. In what way is the article supposed to promote Houssein, other than a website link? A lot of information has been added to the article regarding; personal life, internet career and published singles.--PGSChannel (talk) 23:02, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We are currently trying to add more reliable sources, however we have noted that there are many other personalities on Wikipedia with little sources, and mostly sources from YouTube,--Stephenv14 (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Stephenv14: Just because other articles may not meet Wikipedia guidelines doesn't mean that this article should be kept. We can't lower our standards for one article because another article doesn't meet them either. If you believe other articles don't meet our notability guidelines, you are free to also bring those up for discussion. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 13:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Since the beginning of this topic sources from the BBC, VidCon, GetSurrey, The Daily Mail, News.BBC, RankZoo, SocialBlade, VEVO, iTunes, TicketMaster, The Sound Of Music UK Tour, Yahoo and Mivzakon have been added, and we will continue to add more sources. --Stephenv14 (talk) 23:57, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We have also removed "further reading" as we agree this was not acceptable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. --Stephenv14 (talk) 00:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as failing notability standards. Most sources are not from reliable, third-party sources, and/or only mention Houssein in passing. Two "big" sources listed above, BBC and Daily Mail, do not help at all for notability as they only mention Houssein in passing with no reference to his career. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 06:09, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Hamster's rationale. I couldn't put it much better myself. None of the sources on the article are usable to show notability, as they're mostly primary (WP:PRIMARY) or don't mention Houssein at all. The BBC article seems to actually be about his father, Ramadan Güney. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED by someone being related to a notable person (alive or dead) and as far as WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS goes, we do not keep articles on the basis that other YT personalities have articles. They might either pass notability guidelines in ways that this article doesn't or they just haven't been nominated for deletion yet. To put it bluntly, Houssein is not notable enough to merit an article at this point in time, regardless of how many unusable sources are added to the article. Adding tons of links doesn't give the appearance of notability and in this instance, actually looks more like WP:CITESPAM or WP:LINKSPAM in general. I mean no offense by that, I'm mostly saying this because in most instances of this it does more to harm than it does to help. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:54, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• On a side note, there is a copy of this at Draft:Houssein. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @SuperHamster: and @Tokyogirl79: for your opinions. If Houssein was to become more well-known, particularly in mainstream media, would we be able to recreate the page with more credible sources?--PGSChannel (talk) 13:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@PGSChannel: Yes, of course, assuming there is enough coverage to meet our notabilty guidelines. Note, though, that if you are associated with Houssein, you would have a conflict of interest, in which case I would suggest creating the article in the draftspace and then having it reviewed for both neutrality and notability before getting it moved to the article space (which I would actually do regardless of a conflict of interest). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 14:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@SuperHamster: Ok, well thank you very much for your help.--PGSChannel (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - as per Hamster and TokyoGirl, currently non-notable with no reservations about future articlehood should notability guidelines be met.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 00:41, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.