The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Legend of the Galactic Heroes. MBisanz ^talk 13:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperion (Legend of the Galactic Heroes)[edit]

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This fictional ship does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 15:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This one can go too. Not going to bother defending it. It was written during a time when Wikipedia was more inclusive before it turned into a more elitist database. the_one092001 (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge back to main series article or a series article on the ships of the series. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 06:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Mergeto "List of ships from (german title here)" 70.51.8.158 (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as suggested above. Bringing these articles here as a device to force a merge is an misuse of deletion policy, just as much as redirecting them without discussion is. The place to discuss is the article talk page. It will be clear enough there that there will be support for a merge of articles like this. Incidentally, Wikipedia is definitely not an "elitist" database, but a comprehensive encyclopedia. If one wants an elitist site, one should look elsewhere--there are a number of candidates. DGG (talk) 15:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• By "elitist" I refer to the increasing standards of preconceived notability that have been increasingly appearing in arguments from deletionists. I do not mean to force editors into separate camps, but in general, I have noticed a massive upswing in the number of AfD's based on "notability" which is itself a very subjective criteria. I do not seek an elitist encyclopedia; the whole reason why I came to Wikipedia in the first place was because it was not elitist, but this characteristic seems to be slowly disappearing. the_one092001 (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

frankly then I am unclear why you commented delete, as this seems an argument for keep--unless "by not bother defending it" you mean despair at arresting the tendency DGG (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's simply a commentary on the current situation, as well as the reasons why this article is up for deletion. Notability is wholly subjective, and since Wikipedia is not "the American Encyclopedia" or "the English-speaking World's Encyclopedia," if it is important somewhere in the world (Japan) then I believe that gives it notability on the English Wikipedia. However, I know that the vast majority of people would not agree, and even though there is no way to conclusively prove who is right (because it's entirely opinion), the simple fact that more people will say "Delete" means that the page will be deleted. This is exactly what I meant by "elitist": exclusion of articles based on subject matter that is not English, or to the majority, have no notability. the_one092001 (talk) 09:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I failed to notice that all of these noms were from TTN, someone known for making sweeping article deletion noms (both individually and in groups). He's been reprimanded for it in the past. Hopefully this is not a repeat of that stupidity. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 05:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• He was reprimanded more for unilateral redirections, without discussion, on a much larger scale. Having him come to AfD is exactly what was asked of him. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Legend of the Galactic Heroes or an appropriate subtopic thereof. Stifle (talk) 10:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.