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The result was keep. Bmusician 06:08, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

James Hurt[edit]

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This subject does not pass WP:GNG because there is no substantial coverage by multiple, reliable third parties. The coverage I found is mostly in low quality sources and in passing mention, aside from interviews that don't really indicate notability. This subject also fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:NMUSIC: he has apparently played with more notable artists, but cannot be said to have joined those ensembles (nmusic #6) or shared in any awards (anybio). Previous versions of this article were blatantly autobiographical, and while that's not a reason to delete, it tends to explain why the article exists at all. This artist exists, but it's WP:TOOSOON to call him encyclopedically notable. JFHJr (㊟) 18:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment There's a fair-sized discography in that interview that is the only given ref. It's in French, and as interviews go, fairly good. I have a feeling that he could be notable - but I'm commenting here as feelings don't merit 'keeps'. Peridon (talk) 19:07, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I've added refs to his album and gig reviews from "All About Jazz" and to his (admittedly short) Allmusic biography. These pieces involve two well known critics, Jason Ankeny and Jim Santella. I think these plus the French interview and an album under his own name on a major label (Blue Note) are sufficient for notability. AllyD (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Discography and biographical details aside, allmusic is not a reliable enough source on which to base notability. See here. JFHJr (㊟) 19:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, and for that very reason I would never rely on an Allmusic discography in seeking to establish notability. In this case I referred specifically to a biography bylined to Jason Ankeny. (Similar for All About Jazz: the Musician pages and news items are effectively user-submitted content, but the bylined reviews are reliable.) AllyD (talk) 19:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

* WP:JAZZ notified. AllyD (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: album released by a notable label (Blue Note), notable collaborations, played on a Grammy nominated album, sufficient coverage in reliable sources. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:24, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: as far as I can see, a decent coverage about him. - Cavarrone (talk) 10:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Let's go over WP:LOTSOFSOURCES. Allaboutjazz, a jazz advocacy site, gives some substantial coverage as one source. It's not that great a source, and is the only one. No other sources give substantial coverage; the sum total of another is "Keyboardist James Hurt also sat in on the evening’s final number" and "...surprise guest James Hurt (keyboards) set up his small synthesizer keyboard..." The substance of others is comparable: passing mentions. Any interview is exactly that: the subject talking about himself. The publisher does not generally vouch for any content, but simply that the subject has made those statements about himself. The subject's mere participation with other notable individuals or in award nominated (not won) albums does not help him inherit notability without actually associating with the band. I'll concede this may be a borderline case, but I think votes so far overestimate the value of the coverage pointed to. JFHJr (㊟) 15:57, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• There is nothing wrong with material on a jazz musician appearing on a "jazz advocacy" site; if I were looking for material on a rugby player, I would look to a sport/rugby site, a French politician or writer, I start at Libération, etc. It is simply how one establishes whether a subject has notability in their field. Conversely, though, if I fail to find anything substantial on AAJ or Allmusic about a jazz musician (especially an American one, given cultural/locational bias) then the warning bells ring that their notability is questionable. In this case, I've now added two more refs to the article, from articles by Steve Loewy at Allmusic and Peter Watrous at the New York Times. AllyD (talk) 20:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I added two more sources [1][2] (subscription needed to view the latter, a 541-word piece in which ~150 words are spent reviewing Hurt and his solo album). Considering all the article's sources I believe there's enough for the subject to meet WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO.  Gongshow ^Talk 18:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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