The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As argued in the discussion, even though the player was in a USL Pro match, the match was considered a "Reserve League" match for the FC Dallas team of which he was a member. Nakon 01:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse Gonzalez[edit]

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Recreation of article that was deleted via PROD. Concern was that the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. That concern remains the case right now. – Michael (talk) 22:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and probably SALT - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 23:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Salting an article for a player who is regularly sitting on the bench for a fully-professional 1st division team in a nation where even the reserve squads are fully professional is entirely unnecessary. Nfitz (talk) 01:17, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this 19-year old had a fully professional start in an official, though somewhat unusual, USL Pro league match on July 11, 2014 against Rochester Rhinos [1]. Nfitz (talk) 01:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That was an interleague match between a USL Pro team and an MLS Reserve League team. And the reserve league isn't fully pro, so that doesn't meet NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 02:31, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which counted as an official USL Pro match, counting in the USL Pro standings. It wasn't a reserve league match, it was a USL Pro match. As such it meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Nfitz (talk) 04:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FC Dallas never fielded a USL Pro team. It counted as a reserve match for Dallas. So it still fails. – Michael (talk) 05:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was an official match for a fully-professional league. Which Dallas player wasn't a professional? Nfitz (talk) 01:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it was an official match, for Rochester. But it counted as a Reserve League match for Dallas. – Michael (talk) 21:11, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak Keep~~Delete I think the policy in WP:NSOCCER is too low so a larger discussion should be looked at that but he hits the standard from what I've read. Bryce Carmony (talk) 06:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand how the policy is too low. Can you please explain why you say that? Also, players don't hit the standard by making appearances for a reserve team. – Michael (talk) 08:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryce Carmony: - as Michael points out, he doesn't meet NFOOTBALL... Giant Snowman 09:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FC Dallas says he plays for them, Major League Soccer Says that FC dallas is a team in their league, United States soccer league system says that MLS is a tier one league, and WP:NFOOTY Says that tier 1 players are notable. I disagree that every player on every MLS team needs an article but he meets the standard as current set out. Bryce Carmony (talk) 10:24, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTBALL clearly states that a player has to play in a fully pro league match or senior international match to meet the standard. This player hasn't done that. – Michael (talk) 17:59, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd disagree with. Nfitz (talk) 01:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He has Zero minutes of gametime and the guideline does say match, so while I still think the standard is too low, this article doesn't meet the standard so I changed my view to delete. Thanks for pointing out my misread of WP:NFOOTBALL. Bryce Carmony (talk) 06:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- absolutely does not meet notability guidelines. As GiantSnowman says: fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Zero minutes gametime? I don't see any debate here. Red Cafetiere (talk) 09:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How User:Bryce Carmony and User:Red Cafetiere can he have both 0 minutes of game time, and a full start in a USL Pro match - [2]. USL Pro is a fully-professional league, and he had a match. Nfitz (talk) 12:05, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From wikipedia "Since 1996, Major League Soccer (MLS) has been the only sanctioned USSF Division I men's outdoor soccer league in the United States." notability says tier 1 ( which I will accept division 1 ) MLS reserve isn't stated to be also a tier 1 league so I go with the guideline and suggest a delete. No doubt the player has a bright future ahead of him, but he isn't notable in an encyclopedic sense. Bryce Carmony (talk) 12:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you User:Bryce Carmony say that "notability" says tier 1. The notability standard is WP:NSPORTS where if you go down to WP:NFOOTBALL it talks about tier 1 international matches. For leagues the standard is to have played "in a fully professional league" and then refers to a list of such leagues at WP:FPL which USL Pro is listed. They game was part of a fully-professional league. Nfitz (talk) 15:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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