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The result was redirect to ITV Weather. Black Kite (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Weatherpersons are not inherently notable, and this one is not exherently notable either. No hits in Google News, and not a single reliable source in the article to establish notability. Check the article's history to see what counted as "references" for this BLP. Drmies (talk) 18:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: local weather people? Really? There's no claim of notability here, just that the person is a local weather person. So what? The person who delivers my mail is a local postal service person. That doesn't make him eligible for an article here. Contrast against Jim Cantore. Now he is a weather person of note. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, but who's cuter? Drmies (talk) 19:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jo Blythe was a relief presenter for the ITV National weather for 2 years and has presented the regional weather in 6 different regions. She is hardly an unknown. Type 'Jo Blythe' in to YouTube and you get more videos coming up than for some national weather presenters. The claim made by Drmies that a You Tube video of Jo Blythe doing a UK national weather forecast not verifying the fact that she has done national weather forecasts is a load of rubbish. Maybe Drmies doesn't know what a map of the UK looks like, so can't verify what a UK national weather forecast is. Although, I agree that You Tube links shouldn't be references.

The link of http://www.lmu.ac.uk/the_news/matters/matters_aug05.pdf is a relaible source. www.lmu.ac.uk goes to the official Leeds Metropolitan University website. However, it looks like they have decided to remove a 7 year old document stating that she was a notable graduate from the website. The link of http://www.itv.com/granada/meettheteam goes to the official ITV website. Epm-84 (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Insulting Drmies with statements like "Maybe Drmies doesn't know what a map of the UK looks like" is not likely to help your case that Jo Blythe is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Please read and abide by WP:NPA. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, I'm more baffled by the suggestion in the article (now removed) that a still of someone standing in front of a UK weather map is to be taken as evidence that "She became a regional weather presenter for ITV in 2001, covering the Yorkshire, Granada, Tyne Tees and Border regions". I mean, this is high in cuteness but a bit short on words, and the same goes for this one, Tonight/Dry?itv/weather. Drmies (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• For someone who knows which region covers which areas or uses the map available on the ITV website: http://www.itv.com/local/ they can at least see from those two images that Jo is doing a Yorkshire region forecast in one of the images and a Granada region forecast on the other image, although not ideal references as they don't confirm the 2001-2008 dates. Following those links through to their respective websites shows more images and videos available which makes the chance of them being photoshopped is vastly reduced. 89.248.29.41 (talk) 11:34, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I don't see this passing WP:GNG or WP:BIO using the references put forward in the article (history). ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 19:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Being a presenter on a television channel is not inherently notable. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 20:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK Hammersoft maybe that remark was over the top but to me, as a UK based ITV viewer, that You Tube link tells me instantly that Jo Blythe has done ITV National Weather forecasts. It's a typical lunchtime/weekend format using the standard ITV branding from a couple of years ago, it's not something that could have been created in someone's bedroom.

It does seem to me that the only reason this article is being considered for deletion is because of the most reliable independent link in the references no longer being live. The article has been there for 6 years and Jo Blythe had been doing weather forecasts for 5 years when the article was first written. Even now there's more reliable references on the Jo Blythe article than the Emma Jesson or the Eno Eruotor articles. (Jo is also much better known than Eno) The Emma Jesson article has had the "This biographical article needs additional citations for verification." there since 2010 so surly should be considered for deletion first.Epm-84 (talk) 20:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• It isn't really fair to compare this article against others that exist and argue this one should exist because it's better than those. That is a WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. We don't consider articles for deletion in order of which one is worst, and that one goes first. We'd never hear the end of disputes about which one is worse :) That she's a weather reporter isn't in dispute. I think we all agree she's a weather reporter. The question is how is she notable? Without reliable, secondary sources attesting to her notability, there's nothing to conclude she's notable except that she's a weather reporter. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:09, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've also nominated the two weather persons mentioned by Epm-84 for deletion. As far as I'm concerned they could have been nominated for speedy deletion, but there's no rush. Drmies (talk) 22:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment No in-depth coverage from multiple reliable sources in the article, and I couldn't find any either. I don't think this person passes the GNG. pablo 22:50, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. LadyofShalott 04:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. LadyofShalott 04:36, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment She doesn't appear to pass GNG, but what amazes me is to find this article in French, which could suggest she has notability beyond our shores. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:18, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment A lot of English universities take large groups of French students on exchange years, it is possible that some of those French students decided to add TV personalities from England to the French Wikipedia. Unfortunately, Jo didn't get much media coverage when she provided cover for the national weather as the media were more interested in the surfing accident suffered by the person she was standing in for, than who was standing in. On a different occasion she would have got more media coverage for doing national forecasts. Hstudent (talk) 16:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Better references have been added. She has been on television screens for over 10 years now and while she is seen as a local weather person, she has done local weather for 6 regions i.e. half of England and has quite often appeared in different regions in the same week, as well as doing national forecasts for two years. She could easily become a regular national weather presenter in the foreseeable future and then someone would have to create the article all over again. 89.248.29.41 (talk) 13:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• She could become a national weather presenter? I think WP:SPECULATION applies. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:03, 17 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not adding speculation on the actual article, just on a discussion page, in view of the fact that one event would probably change the status of the article from being considered for deletion to not being considered for deletion. 89.248.29.41 (talk) 11:14, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or Redirect - If she's presenting in several regions then that makes her fairly notable. The ITV Weather articles shows her to have been a national presenter from 2006-2008, and now working at Granada, so perhaps a redirect ito something like ITV Weather would be appropriate here. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete or redirect to ITV Weather. No real demonstration of actual notability in the article's references, merely verification that she is who the article claims. She's supposed to be a national-level presenter? All I'm finding after a quick Google search are some YouTube bloopers and forum posts, there's a complete absence of coverage to the standards we expect. DeLarge (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I'd love to be convinced otherwise, but she appears to have been a substitute on a national show and a star locally. That's by definition not notable. Bearian (talk) 22:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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