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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:34, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Wilkinson (footballer)[edit]

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Near unreferenced stub. Probably qualifies for speedy deletion under CSD A7 but as RHaworth said on at least one occasion "an article that has survived for four years deserves better than speedy deletion". Laun chba ller 22:55, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Please keep the article as it has a reference and a good one at that. ((Mathgenious989 (talk) 01:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)))[reply]

Keep unless content can't be verified in the listed reference or in any other reliable source, in which case remove the items that can't be verified. If the reference itself can't be shown to exist, remove it and WP:BLPPROD the article. Assuming the playing history is in the reference and the reference is a reliable source and is accurate, the player meets WP:NFOOTY. See the article talk page for more details. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 06:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if the details can be confirmed. Does a publication covering player records from 1888-1939 really include a player who made his debut in 1955? --Michig (talk) 08:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets WP:NSPORTS and a source has been found to verify the article. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The source added by JMorrison230582 verifies pretty well all the content, and Mr Wilkinson's 91 Football League appearances confirm his notability per WP:NFOOTY. I've removed the book source: as mentioned above, a publication covering player records up to 1939 clearly doesn't include a 1955 debutant. Not sure where nominator gets their idea of CSD A7 from: the content describes him as a professional footballer, and the infobox statistics back that up, so that's a pretty clear assertion of notability. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTY sums up everything that is wrong about the football industry; I simply do not understand how kicking a ball around a pitch is an indication of notability. Therefore that left a single sentence stub which thoroughly deserved deletion.--Laun chba ller 11:50, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the same standard (playing in a fully pro league) is applied to other sports too, it's not just something dreamed up for football. Comments like "I simply do not understand how kicking a ball around a pitch is an indication of notability" aren't really very constructive and just make it sound like you have a grudge against football/football articles -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I take the view that anybody can play football, therefore to me it's not an indication of notability. Discussion in reliable sources is. Although I will say this: the article has been expanded 5x since I initiated the deletion discussion. If this article can be expanded to 1,500 characters it would make a good DYK hook.--Laun chba ller 23:10, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well clearly not just anybody can play football to a professional level, so that's a pretty spurious argument. You could equally claim that anybody can sing therefore being a pop star isn't an indication of notability....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't consider it an indication of notability. Anybody can sing; not everybody can have a chart hit. I'll hold my hands up; I don't like football very much because from where I am in North Cheam to get to Aldi to do my shopping (where stuff is cheapest) I have to get a 93 to Morden and a 157 to Anerley and the 157 goes to Crystal Palace, so I usually have to put up with a bunch of antisocial Crystal Palace supporters. However, per WP:COI I am to leave my biases at the door, so that shouldn't matter.--Laun chba ller 12:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Article needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 09:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep given that reliable sources now confirm that the subject passes WP:NFOOTY. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:56, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - subject meets the requirements of WP:NSPORTS having played in a "fully professional" league (as listed at WP:FPL). Some evidence of the significant coverage in reliable sources he is presumed to have received would help add to the article. Hack (talk) 18:39, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep given all the comments above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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