The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1 (nomination withdrawn). Per comments here, I'll tag the article with a suggestion to merge to Uplift Universe. (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000^(talk) 11:49, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jophur[edit]

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This topic about a fictional extraterrestrial race appears to fail WP:N. Searches in Google Books and News archive have only provided sources with passing mentions, rather than significant coverage. Northamerica1000^(talk) 10:45, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. LlamaAl (talk) 18:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - 8,000 matches for 'jophur brin' (to limit to on-subject matches) to Google search. If not notable, recommend converting to an appropriate redirect. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 21:23, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep given the above, no evidence that WP:BEFORE was followed. Contra the above, if not independently notable, it should be upmerged into Uplift universe. Jclemens (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Please feel free to provide any links to reliable sources that provide significant coverage about this topic herein in this discussion. I always search for sources about a topic prior to any nomination for deletion. While WP:BEFORE is not mandatory, it's functional and righteous to implement for the sake of the encyclopedia. Northamerica1000^(talk) 05:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• You said you found nothing worthwhile. The above editor notes 8,000 potentially relevant references. Nothing personal, but when one person says "I searched and found nothing" and another says "There's sources out there", odds are pretty prevalent that the latter editor is correct. My above statement was not particularly well worded, and I admit that it gives the impression that you did nothing, rather than just not digging deep enough. Still, you nominated a clearly verifiable fictional element with a good merge target for deletion rather than seeking a merger, which is preferred by WP:ATD. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 05:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It's certainly more notable than many existing articles. In any event, it should not be deleted outright. A redirect to a related page would be in order. DavidHobby (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I wanted to find the novel by Brin with the aliens that had waxy rings - I couldn't remember the name. If not an article in their own right, move to Uplift Universe. Nerlost (talk) 08:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.