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The result was merge to List of characters from Sons of Anarchy. BJ^Talk 19:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Juice Ortiz[edit]

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Articles lacks third party references and real world information.A google search for "Juice Ortiz" gives nothing related except some links to IMDB. It seems an editor kept creating articles for every single fictional character of the TV series Sons of Anarchy without any prior discussion in the TV serie's talk page or List of characters. List of characters from Sons of Anarchy already exists and has short descriptions of every character, it's better organised but still needs a lot of work (for example it separates characters to "Active" and "former" and has a "Deceased characters" section). No need to use information of this article (i.e. no need to "merge"). A redirect is also not the best choice. My experience has shown if articles for possible real person don't exist, new editors are more likely to create new articles. Magioladitis (talk) 06:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Sufficient notability for own article is not established: inclusion in article on all the characters is plenty. 79.123.72.90 (talk) 09:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Why in the world would you be against a redirect? The non-existence of an article just encourages someone to create it, whereas pointing them to where the info is already covered encourages them to improve what we already have. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:56, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My experience agrees with Thaddeus--when the redirect page for a trivial character does not exist, people do tend to recreate it. DGG (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 16:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had some examples supporting my argument but I can't find them in my watchlist anymore. Anyway, I thought again about that since the name is not that common I would not oppose a redirect. In this case it's more likely the article to be recreated with the same content than to be created for a real person. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and possibly merge if there is anything useful to merge (knowing nothing about series I can't tell what is useful or not), but regardless a redirect at minimum is appropriate. (Thought I'd make my !vote clear since I previously "only" commented.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The page has references and sources to support it, and it is reasonably well written. It should be merged at very least. WölffReik (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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