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The result was delete. While this was clearly a close call in terms of sourcing, GNG isn't felt to be met. j⚛e deckertalk 15:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Notability of this person is not established as per WP:MUSICBIO, and the references in a local newspaper do not establish sufficient notability for a WP:BLP. Barney the barney barney (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notability is established per WP:Music #10 Has performed music for a work of media that is notable...; namely, Homi played a large part as keyboardist in Yanni Live at the Acropolis which is both a notable concert tour and notable live album/concert film (second in sales to Michael Jackson's Thriller), as well as noting several other notable performers she has toured with stated in the article. ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 04:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
NeutralWeak delete (see below). I'm not sure this meets WP:MUSICBIO #10 based on what Cricket02 suggests. The examples for that criterion are things like having performed a theme song for a notable TV show, or inclusion on a notable compilation album. Merely having performed a musical task on an album that's notable probably doesn't meet that criterion. And even presuming it does, there might still be cause for redirecting. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 00:02, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to Weak delete as the other !votes have convinced me that MUSICBIO #10 does not apply. As to whether there's a WP:GNG argument, the laundry list of sources look like little more than mentions. It's possible I missed something of course, but I really don't see evidence of the requisite "significant coverage" mentioned in GNG. In short, this is clearly a skilled musician, and clearly a sought-after professional backing singer... but no more notable for Wikipedia purposes than a skilled cardiologist or managing partner of a major law firm. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 03:37, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Clearly she is an accomplished professional musician, but I can't find evidence that she is the subject of substantial coverage that focuses on her. Best I could find was a piece from the local newspaper in Vallejo [1], which refers to her and her husband having "reached the pinnacle of their chosen music industry careers". On the other hand, I note that her AllMusic listing has no biographical information, and (as far as I can see) doesn't list any notable recordings in which she is a principal rather than a sideman. I don't think WP:Music #10 applies because I didn't find any evidence that she was considered a prominent focus of the Yanni tour/film. A well known sideman can certainly be notable, but I don't find the evidence for that here. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:04, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Just for added context, that local paper, the Times Herald, has 3 articles about the couple, by the same author, similar in size; 2009-01-01 on neighborhood trash2009-05-25 on music careers2010-08-16 on neighborhood graffiti. It kind of drives home that the music career story wasn't due to their exceptional notability, so much as a normal local interest story. On the other hand, given the Yanni/Acropolis association (I agree, small role, but major album), I'm inclined to be more liberal in counting a source like this toward notability. While a lot of its info is supplied by Homi (the article seems pretty careful to qualify statements with "she said", e.g. about performing on the Yanni video), it is at least a nice amount of biographical material, to provide some meat to this Wikipedia article rather than just a discography or list of names. I think her only significant recording in which she was the lead was 2010's Homiopathy, self-published through CD Baby, which did not attract any independent notice. Agyle (talk) 10:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural comment: As noted at WT:AFD, this AfD seems to have fallen through the cracks for technical reasons (and the usual article and "find sources" links are missing) so I think a relisting would be in order. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. The only reason I'm here is because of the WT:AFD link. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 00:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree as well. Thank you for your help. ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless more in-depth coverage is found. I found no significant coverage of the subject in published reliable sources. I do consider the subject's performance on a successful album as suggestive of Wikipedia notability, but it is mitigated by being one of eight musicians on the album, and more importantly, without any coverage found about the subject's performance in particular. One of the underlying reasons behind the coverage requirements is described at WP:WHYN, "We require 'significant coverage' in reliable sources so that we can actually write a whole article, rather than half a paragraph or a definition of that topic." While some allowances are made for certain fields (e.g., nationally elected politicians get articles regardless of coverage; academics get articles based on their work even if there is no coverage about them), I'm not sure how far that should be extended to a musician. To some extent, with a lack of good references, it's a choice between providing terribly deficient coverage of the subject, or no coverage.
Per ♫ Cricket02's suggestion of WP:Music #10, that list of criteria is prefaced with "may be notable if...", and the complete sentence for the excerpt of #10 mentions that if that's the only claim of notability, it may be more appropriate to cover them in an article about the notable work. The section also includes the guidance that "members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." Yanni's is an extremely notable album, but despite that, I found no coverage of it that singled out Homi's performance on it. (It could very well exist; media back than was rarely published online, and copyrights protect such material from being easily found. People with access to private media databases (e.g., journalists) would be better equipped to find it.)
I did find one short/medium bit of coverage, and many minor/one-sentence mentions of the subject in independent reliable sources (most are just performance announcements - I omitted about a dozen more of them them):
Electronic Musician, Volume 13, Issues 1-6. Polyphony Publishing Company. 1997. p. 121. Julie Homi, a pianist first and foremost, who 'earns a living playing synths' with artists such as Peter Cetera, Martin Page, Tracy Chapman, and Yanni, also likes to experiment with different piano sounds. 'Generally for ballads — as well as pieces where the piano is exposed — I go for a fat, warm sound,' she explains. 'For rock piano solos where the band is going full tilt, I go for loud and bright, and I make sure I stay above middle C so I can cut through the band. However, a bright sample can sound thin in the bass register, so I might add a second, fatter sound in the first two octaves. Especially when playing single-note lines, it helps to add another piano sound an octave lower for emphasis.' Homi's 'sound system' for her Cetera gig includes a Kurzweil MicroPiano layered with a Roland JV-1080 expander and a Roland JD-800. When performing with Martin Page she adds a Roland MKS- 20, and for Yanni she uses a Korg SG-1D layered with an E-mu EMIII (loaded with the EIII's Bosendorfer sample). Extracted via Google "Snippet View", and I think this is all the coverage of Homi in an article about synthesized piano stage performance that bounces from one musician to another (Brad Cole immediately follows the excerpt on Homi).
Feminist Periodicals: A Current Listing of Contents. Office of the Women's Studies Librarian-at-Large, University of Wisconsin System. 1981. p. 50. Julie Homi: A Star on the Rise 16 Seen only in Google "Snippet View"; this seems to be an index of other periodicals, indicating that in some other periodical there's an article called "Julie Homi: A Star on the Rise". No way of knowing how significant it is or where it is.
Pollock, Mary (1987). "Recovery and Integrity: The Music of Meg Christian". Frontiers: A Journal of Women Studies. 9 (2): 29. doi:10.2307/3346185. ISSN0160-9009. You know, I used to think that maybe I was less of a musician because I didn't do that or because I didn't practice three or four hours a day the way I've heard Julie Homi do.
Yanni; David Rensin (July 2003). Yanni in words. Thorndike Press. p. 315. ISBN978-0-7862-5453-8. Next, I had to get sixty people to Athens, not to mention my own band: my old friend Charlie Adams on drums, Karen Briggs on violin, Michael Bruno on percussion, Rice Fierabracci on bass, Julie Homi and Bradley Joseph on keyboards.
Dahl, Linda (1984). Stormy Weather: The Music and Lives of a Century of Jazzwomen. Limelight Editions. pp. 186, 187. ISBN978-0-87910-128-2. "...'There's No Separation,' a piece written by former Alive! pianist Julie Homi, is a mature love song; the group's interpretation of..." ... "Several contemporary jazzwomen have participated in that festival's broad offering of music by women, including pianist Julie Homi, the combo Deuce and pianist Mary Watkins.
New York Media, LLC (4 February 1985). New York Magazine. New York Media, LLC. p. 91. ISSN0028-7369. JULIE HOMI, in concert. The composer-keyboardist with vocalist Amanda Homi, others, and guests Carol Chaiken, and Jean Fineberg and Ellen Seeling of Deuce. Jazz Center of N.Y., 380 Lafayette St. (505- 5660), at 9. $5.
City Arts Monthly. City Celebration. January 1980. p. 66. ...with Teresa Trull, Julie Homi and Meg Christian, Apr. 26 at 8 pm, First Unitarian...
Women Artists News. Vol. 5. Midmarch Associates. 1979. p. 10. Nancy Corporon, freelance French horn player & general manager of the New Amsterdam Symphony Orchestra, recently produced the Teresa Trull / Julie Homi concert in NYC.
Women Artists News, Volume 6. Midmarch Associates. 1979. p. 10. Trull is joined on this album by Tui, Julie Homi, and the Villa Holiness Choir, as well as others. The most memorable performance is an outstanding trumpet solo by Ellen Seeling in the jazz tune, 'Musicians.' Buy only if you have Trull fans or...
Down Beat, Volume 49. Down Beat Publishing Company. 1982. p. 79. There were 'women's songs' from vocalist Teresa Trull and pianist Julie Homi. Homi's solo was Playing In The Yard by Sonny Rollins, one of the few male composers represented. Ginni Clemmens sang folk songs...
The New Yorker, Volume 60, Issues 47-53. F-R Publishing Corporation. 1985. p. 6. Julie Homi — With Carol Chaikin and Jean Fineberg & Ellen Seeling. (Jazz Center of New York. Monday, Jan. 28, at 9.)
Rusch, Bob (1991). Cadence. B. Rusch. ...Michaelle Goerlitz, perc; Julie Homi or Patricia Thumas. kybd; Rynata, g; Carolyn Brandy, perc; 12/10-12/90)
Deneuve. FRS Enterprises. 1992. p. 11. The early intensive IMA workshops involved such women as Rhiannon (vocals), Barbara Bordern (rhythm section of bass, drums and percussion), Millington and Mimi Fox (electric guitar), Mary Watkins and Julie Homi (keyboards), ...
Schwann-1, Record & Tape Guide. ABC Publications. October 1978. James, Gregory – Alicia...Babe Duru, Julie Homi, Hisayo Tominaga Marbles. Yoshi Jewell Silver (compositions by James): Akavit. ... (Rec 11/77. San Francisco) Inner 1050
Feminist Bookstore News, Volumes 1-6. Feminist Bookstore News. 1976. p. 3. Not the 'I'm-in-love-with-you' variety, but tenderness and loving; for lovers past, for first awakenings of love (Wonderful to have a recording of Julie Homi's "There's A Light"), for the self that dares to love.
Coda, Issues 159-163. J. Norris. 1978. p. 28. Ackamoor recently did a jazz workshop for "Youth and young adults" in Oakland with Julie Homi, Rasul Siddik, John Otis, Wilbur Morris, Baba Duru and Muhammad Tsofiotsom Kaal. The Bay Area is loaded with many musicians with...
Chad Jones (February 9, 2007). "'How We First Met' puts real-life love onstage". Oakland Tribune. More often than not, the songs (with improvised but sturdy accompaniment by Dana Cory, Julie Homi and Steve Laciak) start out kind of iffy and then blossom into something with melody, rhymes and humor.
Vitello, Barbara (January 23, 1998). "Jazz Sans Crowds? with Timing, Yes". Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, IL). ...the mini-fest is favorite son Chico Freeman and the Fred Hopkins Trio as well as the all-women band She, featuring Julie Homi, Juli Wood, Audrey Morrison, Karen Quinn, Sarah Allen and Bobbi Wilsyn. Tickets are $15 in advance (and for Institute...((cite news)): Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)
Sheffield, Skip (April 29, 1994). "Yani Returns". The News. p. 13E. ... but electric performances by his bassist Rick Fierabracci, drummer Charlie Adams, keyboardists Bradley Joseph and Julie Homi, and particularly violinist Karen Briggs, ...
Note, I missed some sources (I didn't go far into Google Web); there is one article of significant coverage, which Arxiloxos pointed out above, and the rest is again pretty minor:
Wilson, John S. (1981-08-22). "Jazz: Fineberg Quartet". The New York Times. Miss Fineberg's group, which was presented as part of the weeklong Citicorp Second Annual Women in Jazz Festival, included a pianist, Julie Homi, who projected the hallmarks of be-bop as strongly as Miss Fineberg did her Rollins influence, and two male interlopers in this festival of women in jazz... (review of the performance)
Holden, Stephen (1993-06-10). "Pop and Jazz in Review". The New York Times. Playing a battery of electronic instruments, he and the two other keyboardists in his band (Julie Homi and Bradley Joseph) insert motifs that evoke the hoariest Hollywood cliches of Middle Eastern, Far Eastern and other regional styles. (review of the performance)
Armoudian, Maria (1993-06-24). "Review: 'Yanni'". Variety. Band: Yanni, Karen Briggs, Michael Bruno, Julie Homi , Bradley Joseph, Charlie Adams, Rick Fierabraci (review of the performance)
"Cleveland: Jersey Boys". Talkinbroadway.com. Review of Jersey Boys, which toured in Cleveland, and lists Homi as one of three keyboardists in a large cast; I'm not sure if this is a reliable source, or user-submitted content. (I gather from a non-reliable source that Homi toured with the show for quite a while).
Anderson, Pokey (February 1980). "Gospel Blues and a Mean Guitar". Houston Breakthrough. p. 9. Mid-sized article about Teresa Trull and Julie Homi performing (review & info of upcoming performance)...gives much more detailed info on singer/guitarist Trull, the star, with Homi treated more as backup. Not much coverage, but probably a good source for a sentence or so of this article, as I gather they performed together for a while.
"Festival displays women's achievements". The Daily Tar Heel. 1979-09-28. p. 8. Teresa Tull, a singer songwriter guitarist with Olivia Records, will close the festival Friday with an 8 p.m. concert in the Great Hall. Trull, who plays and sings Southern blues, gospel, jazz and rock, will be accompanied on piano by Julie Homi. Trull's most recent album, The Ways a Woman Can Be, was performed and recorded by women.
Weak delete. This is a pretty interesting case. A backing musician, fairly successful as such (earning a living at it, working with some major acts, respect of her peers), but she appears to fall just short of our notability criteria. Performing on Yanni Live at the Acropolis does not pass WP:BAND#10: that's not her album, it's Yanni's, and BAND#10 is for works credited to the artist in question; neither does she meet #6 for working for several other artists because backing musicians are not usually considered "reasonably prominent members" of ensembles, and the bands she has been a full member of do not appear to be notable in their own right. Of the sources posted above, only one (the Times-Herald) is significant coverage, but it's local (it's the community paper of Vallejo, where she lives). After that there's the Electronic Musician article, which contains a brief blurb about her and a quote, but not much more than that. And the article listed in the Feminist Periodicals catalogue, which we know nothing about. The rest all appear to be passing mentions and concert listings. If somebody can uncover some more substantial coverage of her in particular, or dig up that "Star on the Rise" article and establish that it's a reliable, third-party, etc. publication, I'll gladly change my !vote. — Gwalla | Talk 20:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete as per Gwalla. Searched, found mentions, clearly a top-caliber musician, unfortunately doesn't meet the GNG, but I hope if this article gets deleted, that she will be back in Wikipedia sooner or later.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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