The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as he fails WP:ATHLETE. If he plays for West Ham, drop me a note on my talk page and I'll restore the article. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 23:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Junior Stanislas[edit]

Contested PROD stating he's played in for West Ham in an "MLS All-Star game" - however this is not a competitive game and nothing more than another pre-season friendly to West Ham. Has not played for another club in a competitive league or competition so he fails notability at WP:ATHLETE --Jimbo^[online] 20:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - MLS Allstar game is sort of notable, but then again so is the Emirates Cup, Franz Beckenbauer Cup and the Feyenoord Tournament, and these are all friendlies. Delete per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 20:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE, a notability guideline which is pretty inclusive! Also no sources. - Toon⁰⁵ 21:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep - MLS Allstar game is the biggest non-playoff football game in Canada and the United States. Junior Stanislas played in the 2008 game. In addition he has played in most West Ham pre-season games; he is clearly part of the first team for the season that begins in 11 days, meeting the spirit of WP:ATHLETE now, and the legalese in few days time. There is no doubt that if this article is deleted, it would have to be recreated within days. Deleting an article we all know will exist shortly, is WP:BURO and also violates both the third and fifth pillar of Wikipedia. Nfitz (talk) 22:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment keeping him on the basis he might play for West Ham in 11 days is crystal balling - which he is unlikely to do anyway. --Jimbo^[online] 22:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the likelyhood of the event, WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply. Nfitz (talk) 06:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - And what's this "likelihood" based on? --Jimbo^[online] 12:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - His frequency of appearance with the first team in pre-season games. As noted above. Nfitz (talk) 22:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - He's only started one pre-season friendly. The rest have all come from the bench in matches where multiple subs are used. Playing a couple of pre-season friendlies does not pass notability. --Jimbo^[online] 23:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        No it doesn't, but it's immenently inevitable, as he is clearly part of the first team and there are no indications he won't continue to play as the season starts. Though the point is moot - he did play in the biggest game so far this year in Major League Soccer, so WP:CS suggests he is notable. Nfitz (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; fails WP:ATHLETE. Giant Snowman 11:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; Once he plays, the article can be restored/recreated, but right now the subject is merely non-notable. --Angelo (talk) 09:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.