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The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable software; no claim to notability provided, no references given to establish notability. Listed for AfD after ((prod)) removed, though article remains unimproved. Mikeblas (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, seems to be an official tool of KDE [1], or at least relevant to KDE... even not counting that, I don't believe in deleting articles about software products based on "notability", people seem to forget that there is no policy regarding that, only guidelines... SF007 (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This article doesn't meet the GNG, and reads as an advertisement. It's also completely unreferenced, original research. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. Describing self-evident features of some software is not OR. VasileGaburici (talk) 00:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Question. It isn't? Where do the Wikipedia policies establish that? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The software itself is a primary source. WP:OR does not disallow the use of primary sources for independently verifiable facts, only for interpretation. Since functionality and features can be independently verified by anyone downloading the software (and especially as the software is freely available), giving these in the article is therefore not OR. And frankly, even if WP:OR didn't say this explicitely, I'd say it's pretty much common sense -- do you need a citation to say that a human hand usually has five fingers? -- simxp (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't want an article that tells me a "human hand usually has five fingers". How often is "usually"? Once we assign a number to it, we certainly need references. But I can't figure out how this is relevant; this article offers "facts" that aren't readily verifiable, and aren't sourced in the article. Even if OR is solved, the problem of notability remains. Both would be solved together, given meaningful and substantial references. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the best piece of wiki-lawyering I've seen in a long time. A statement like "99.8% of humans have 5 fingers on each hand" surely needs a citation, but a common-sense statement like "a human hand usually has five fingers" certainly doesn't need one. Compare Polydactyly with Human_hand#Variation. Case dismissed. VG ☎ 16:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree however that notability is hard to establish for this. Some window managers have built-in screenshot capabilities. I don't see how this function being a separate program for KDE makes it notable. A line or short paragraph in the page for KDE should suffice. Weak keep. Mentioned in half a dozed books along with the other KDE components. Gnome-screenshot is only mentioned in a couple. Alternatively, merging with the main KDE article avoids a forever-stubby article. YMMV. VasileGaburici (talk) 00:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Note that WP:N says that references to establish notability must offer "significant coverage". I don't think the offered references meet the spirit of that requirement. -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 00:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You misunderstand what WP:NOTMANUAL is about. That policy prevents Wikipedia itself from becoming a manual. It does not prevent Wikipedia from citing books that are intended as manuals. VG ☎ 18:53, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So if an article is writen like a manual, if should just be deleted? So if the Ubuntu article was writen like a manual (like someone suggested some time ago), that was a valid reason for deletion? I think that is a very flawed reason for deletion... SF007 (talk) 09:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I never wrote that WP:NOTMANUAL is absolute grounds for deleting an article. If an article can be adjusted/rewritten so it's not a WP:NOTMANUAL, then it should be kept. For instance, if I write a "How to install Ubuntu" article on Wikipedia, then it should be deleted because there's no way to rewrite that narrow topic in an encyclopedic manner. OTOH, if the article on "Ubuntu" has some howto parts, those can be rewritten/deleted; there's no point in deleting the whole article, which would be throwing the baby out with the water in that case. I hope I made myself clear. VG ☎ 10:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was replying to User:Twkratte... sorry about the misunderstanding... it's my fault... I made the reply in a bad place... SF007 (talk) 14:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 00:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tux Magazine is a reliable source among the Linux user community for topic coverages, and it does exert editorial control over content. So, they may be blog entries, but they have been vetted by an editor. Paranormal Skeptic (talk) 14:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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