The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The keep !votes here are alarmingly weak, and the one that said an obsession with secondary sources is harmful to the encyclopaedia has been disregarded entirely. We're left with a consensus to delete, that we can revisit if and when some reliable, secondary sources are found. Courcelles 17:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kamen Rider Ryuki Special: 13 Riders[edit]

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Fails WP:NOTE, lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamen Rider Verde. No sources on page other than to confirm it was actually broadcast once on television and released onto a DVD. -- Cirt (talk) 20:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —-- Cirt (talk) 20:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. —-- Cirt (talk) 20:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —-- Cirt (talk) 20:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*delete (or merge, but there being no third party sourced content to merge, there is no practical difference) Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 20:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This is a page on a eight year old 45 minute television special. It is going to be near impossible to find news sources from that far back to support that this thing is notable. Right now, I know that the only references are to support that it existed and was done as such. That should be enough for now. The fact that I created this page as a location to put information on the article recently deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamen Rider Verde should be irrelevant. I have only just made this article today and I am in the process of finding more sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:50, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note to Closing Admin: Just merely saying "stuff existed", with the acknowledgement that there will be no secondary source coverage of it, merely serves to point out the article's failure of WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - As the primary author of the page, I have restored it to the status quo of what it once was, a redirect. I have moved all of the relevant information on the plot of this to the primary Kamen Rider Ryuki page. You can close this instead of it being entirely retaliatory to the perceived rudeness on your user talk page, Cirt.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - The comment is incorrect, after I closed an AFD on a related topic, I began to investigate the related purported "merge" topics, and found that the parent "merge" targets, also notably fail WP:NOTE, lack of significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. -- Cirt (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
delete (or merge to a higher level topic, but there being no third party sourced content in this article to merge, effectively merge=delete) Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 21:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, the article is not notable as this special doe's not have significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. Powergate92Talk 22:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This obsession with secondary sources is harmful to the encyclopedia. jgp T C 01:28, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Not being able to myself read Japanese, I'll wait until a Japanese-reading Wikipedia interested in digging through and translating sources speaks up... or better, a Japanese Wikipedian who has access to hardcopy sources in Japan libraries and archive... as reliable sources might well be found among the results above, or among sources not available online. And what is a bit more worrisome is this growing fixation that a brand new article created in good faith by an author who is aware or requirements and wishes to bring it into line, must be immediately perfect... as such immediatism seems to run contrary to WP:IMPERFECT, WP:WIP, and WP:DEADLINE. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now but renominate at a later time (like the end of this month) if it's become clear that the subject is not notable enough. NotARealWord (talk) 19:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There are two magazine references now. Those might be helpful. NotARealWord (talk) 08:20, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Produced by a major studio (Toei Company) and part of a major franchise (Kamen Rider Series). Multiple third-party references are listed on the page. 75.16.189.30 (talk) 21:45, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~The above is me. Didn't realize Wikipedia logged me out. jgp T C 21:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)~~[reply]

jpg, you can't vote 2 times. Powergate92Talk 05:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, I forgot I voted before. Complete brain fart. Sorry about that..second vote is struck. But, next time, at least give me the courtesy of spelling my fucking name right. jgp T C 14:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Cirt is correct; there is not a sufficient amount of reliable secondary sources on this topic. The issue is not the fact that the article does not cite the appropriate secondary sources but that they do not appear to exist. The sources that are cited on the article consist primarily of basic stats. Neelix (talk) 21:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If this gets deleted, then maybe someone should put up an AfD for Kamen Rider G. NotARealWord (talk) 06:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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