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The result was no consensus. Strong arguments and many references have been put forward to support WP:GNG but many !voters prefer to adhere strictly to WP:FOOTY. Being about evenly divided, there's no consensus either way. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kelechi Iheanacho[edit]

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as of now. Sammanhumagain^t@lk 14:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Although he fails WP:NFOOTY, there is lots of coverage about him in reliable sources, calling him for example a "prodigy" and "the next big Man City thing"- for example, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Lots of these sources also imply he'll play next season too, and this non-routine coverage means they pass WP:GNG in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Sources above amount to little more than routine "this guy is going to be amazing, trust me"-type gossip. To deal with them specifically:

this is a very short article about the player getting called up to the Nigeria U-20 squad. Playing in the squad doesn ot make someone notable, so getting called up does not either.
This is speculation about his future. Even the Man City head of recruitment says very much part of the first-team plans. So he's not definitely in the squad (which hasn't been announced afaik), but might be. When / if he plays he is notable per NFOOTy, until then per the consensus of a large amount of AfDs, simply being in a first team squad is not inherently notable. The article says nothing beyond this about the player in any real detail.
This, as the title suggests, is just speculative opinion about what might happen to this player. the article is also angled almost as much towards discussing the Man City academy as it is this particular player.
This is a local (i.e. manchester-centric) news report about how much the player wants to play first team football in the final game of the season. Suffice to say, as can be seen here, he didn't play, nor was he even on the bench. this is a non-article.
This, again as the title makes quite clear, is nothing more than pure speculation about how the player could be in the first team. This cannot really be used as a source to support GNG as it essentially rehashes content from source 3 and 4 using word for word identical quotes.

Once the player actually plays first team football, then he will be notable. Given this is Man City and the depth of their squad, this is unlikely to be in the very near future. Fenix down (talk) 15:08, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[6] describes him as a "Manchester City prodigy", [7] says he has the "best chance of impacting Pellegrini’s plans next season.", [8] implies he's almost good enough to play for Man City. Chances are, if he doesn't play for Man City, he'll get loaned out to a Championship team, and play there, passing WP:NFOOTY. All the sources I see show non-trivial coverage of him, and suggest that very soon he'll actually play. Seems completely pointless deleting this now, and getting it undeleted in 2-3 months time, especially when he seems to pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation as to future appearances is never grounds for notability. This is one of the longest standing and well supported consensuses of the WikiProject Football and has already been applied in this case at previous afd's. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know how many articles we had if every teenager who was described as a footballing prodigy was said to meet GNG? the other two sources are pure speculation. Please read WP:CRYSTAL. If he's loaned out and plays then he's notable, essentially, he hasn't actually done anything of note in the footballing world since the last AfD. Fenix down (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Most teenagers who haven't played have had no coverage, this one has. So yes, if we let every one of them have one we'd have thousands, but this just seems about ten times better than all the other articles. And yes, I understand WP:CRYSTAL. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So if you understand WP:CRYSTAL how do your comments above about articles "implying he is almost good enough to play" and "chances are... he'll get loaned out" align to that, comments you made in defense of keeping the article. Yes, he may very well get a game in a few months in an FPl club, but there is nothing to indicate for definite that he will. I agree that the article is not of a bad standard, but this is no reason to keep an article, particularly since the player has done nothing but play for junior / reserve teams since the last time it was deleted. Fenix down (talk) 17:43, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Fenix down (talk) 15:09, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - per WP:G4. The article is not substantively different than the one deleted 8 months ago. I tried tagging it as such, only to have the tag removed by IP who could not find the discussion conveniently linked in the tag. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware of these previous discussions. I guess we need an admin to see whether this article is significantly different or not- seeing as lots of the sources used are from last 1-2 months, I'd guess this article is better than the previously deleted one. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the link in the G4 nomination isn't actually correct, it links to Kelechi Iheanacho being deleted as a G6 yesterday. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:53, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's a default link to the page's deletion log. If you click on the words previous discussion it links to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelechi Iheanacho (footballer born 1996) (2nd nomination). Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 17:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Assuming it's deleted, I definitely think it should be salted. Although I personally think he's just about notable enough, I guess no-one else agrees. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:GNG with significant media coverage such as [9] along with all the Nigerian coverage. Nfitz (talk) 06:33, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Put into draft space provided a willing volunteer wants to incubate it. He doesn't meet WP:NFOOTY yet but if he is picked up for the full Man City squad and starts playing in league and cup matches, he will do. I declined the CSD G4 for this reason. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: I'd be happy to add it to my watchlist and work on it, if it's moved to Draft:Kelechi Iheanacho- like I said, it seems pretty certain to me that they'll play in the next 2-4 months, at which time they'll be notable enough per WP:NFOOTY (I know WP:CRYSTAL, but the implication of lots of the sources is that he's right on the fringes of the Man City team). And the article itself is pretty well written, so this seems better than deleting it, and recreating it in a few months time. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:29, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:GNG with lots of coverage in the media such as [10] along with all coverage from nigeria and man city. also said to be the next city player and WILL be getting called up to the man city first team thursby16 (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Routine reporting on a friendly match is not significant coverage, and as previously mentioned, speculation as to future appearances does not confer notability. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've done some cleanup and added several more sources. Things would be a lot simpler if he had made his first team debut on the last day of the season as was predicted in some quarters. As it is we have one of those CRYSTAL/NFOOTY/GNG tugs of war. When I performed some cleanup on the article just now, I was expecting to find few good sources. I just wanted to tidy it up to provide a ready made version for the inevitable moment early next season when he crosses the white line in a senior match, and the deleted article gets restored. What I found instead was a level of coverage far above what I usually find for players in his situation, right from the U-17 World Cup onwards. Not being familiar with what outlets are or are not reliable in the Nigerian media, I didn't use much of the early stuff in my rewrite, but it was there nonetheless. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there are a hell of a lot more young footballers with more press coverage than this lad where no convincing argument has been made for a pre debut article. Saying he "will" get called up to the man city first team or that he was rumoured to be making his debut "proves" nothing. If people are so confident about him playing soon then they should have been patient and waited for his debut to make an article. Arials101 (talk) 19:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep After Oldelpaso's expansion of the article, I believe there is sufficient evidence that shows the subject satisfies the WP:GNG. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG especially with all the coverage in Nigeria, sources don't all have to be western to make someone notable in there own country. Paul Bradbury 19:15, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 (Talk) 14:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - meets GNG; led Nigeria to the title at the 2013 FIFA U-17 World Cup AND individually won the Golden Ball (MVP) for the tournament. Also won CAF Most Promising Talent of the Year. Meets not only GNG but WP:BIO for major award. —Мандичка^YO 😜 07:48, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The subject passes WP:BASIC. Source examples include, but are not limited to: ^[1], ^[2], ^[3], ^[4], ^[5], ^[6], ^[7], ^[8], ^[9]. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Kelechi Iheanacho profile: Manchester City youngster scores vs Sporting Kansas City". Mail Online.
^ Alex Richards (18 December 2013). "Kelechi Iheanacho Manchester City transfer: Arsenal and Manchester United to miss out on Nigerian wonderkid who opts for Manchester City instead - Mirror Online". Mirror.
^ Stuart Brennan (6 May 2015). "Manchester City's teen starlet Kelechi Iheanacho could save Blues a packet". Manchester Evening News.
^ Simon Bajkowski (14 May 2015). "Man City's Kelechi Iheanacho eager for Blues debut 'as soon as possible'". Manchester Evening News.
^ Samuel Luckhurst. "Man City starlet Kelechi Iheanacho could signal start of Blues' new order". Manchester Evening News.
^ Simon Bajkowski (23 May 2015). "Iheanacho: I'll miss my flight to make Man City debut against Southampton!". Manchester Evening News.
^ "Young Manchester City Striker Kelechi Iheanacho Training With Crew". The Columbus Dispatch.
^ "Stoke City attempted to sign Kelechi Iheanacho". News 24 Nigeria.
^ "Iheanacho hopes in Flying Eagles". News 24 Nigeria.

Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL, most coverage seems ~~WP:ROUTINE~~ WP:MILL JMHamo (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOOTY doesn't work like that, it simply states two things that are assumed to pass WP:GNG automatically so we don't have to discuss in those instances, if the subject meets WP:GNG then they still warrant an article. WP:ROUTINE only applies to events not to biographies. He clearly meets WP:GNG having extensive coverage and having won an international award from his home continental football federation. Paul Bradbury 22:47, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I meant WP:MILL, my apologies. JMHamo (talk) 22:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So has this page been kept then? Can't the delete thing at the top of his page be deleted?Thursby16 (talk) 18:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)thursby16[reply]

Nope, the AfD debate is still ongoing............. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Very Strong Keep~~ - it has already been made and has lots of information and sources. it would have been a waste of peoples time if this article was to be deleted. also, it will be here for his future when he plays in the first team so it would be a waste of time for someone else to re-make his page. Thursby16 (talk) 19:46, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Thursby16: Please do not !vote more than once. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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