The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete--JForget 00:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Muller[edit]

Non-notable YouTube "celebrity" - No secondary sources. Article was speedy deleted before and recreated. I'd like to get a little more consensus on this. While this is sort of a procedural nomination, I am advocating deletion. Mr.Z-man 18:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No notability here, just some random guy on Youtube. ~~It may be a little early, but can I get some salt on those deletion fries?~~ NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 18:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's only been speedied once to date. WP:SALT should be restricted to repeated violations. --Dhartung | Talk 18:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - complete non-entity who uses a website. He may be controversial and even popular; but controversy + popularity doesn't = notable. B1atv 18:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as insufficiently notable. No evidence of non-trivial coverage of subject by reliable, third-party published sources. -- Satori Son 18:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, need attribution of notability from independent sources. --Dhartung | Talk 18:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, non-notable BASE101() 18:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Z-man and NASCAR Fan. GlassCobra (Review) 18:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per above, non-notable. Dreadstar † 19:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not Delete I have added articles about directors of CERN, heads of companies, etc which are less known than CapnOAwesome, but because they had a single snappy reference they haven't been touched. Something tells me you guys have it out for YouTube and now I know why most of the main YouTubers don't have pages in Wikipedia. I think it's funny you characterize YouTube as just "a website". More people have watched some of Muller's videos than watch the evening news in most cities. I don't see you deleting any local television stations. This seems to be a severe bias of Wikipedia. And that's not even talking about radio stations! Just look at WAAX for example. Only 100,000 people live in the Gadsden, AL metro area. I'd be willing to bet the video Muller put up today will get more viewers today than that radio station will have listeners. And that's just media. Have a look at the endless pages in Wikipedia on asteroids sometime. I would estimate less than a 100 people are aware any particular one exists. Not to mention the pages for various people who have discovered an asteroid! (Mario Jurić for example) I just think y'all need to apply your standards for "notability" a little more evenly and not discriminate against YouTube. Wogsland 19:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Per WP:BIGNUMBER, just because a lot of people watch the video doesn't make it notable. Now, WAAX may be a small radio station, but it is well-established in its area of broadcast and has been around for sixty years. We are not biased against YouTube, just that websites have higher notability standards than, say, radio stations. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 19:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention that starting a radio station, getting the necessary permits, and maintaining it is a whole lot more work than posting offensive videos to YouTube. (Not that this has anything to do with notability, I'm just saying it's not a fair comparison). Mr.Z-man 19:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:Notable; there is no confirmation of notability from other reputable third-party sources. And the argument above about radio stations, etc., is covered at WP:WAX. A car accident is not notable, no matter how many people slow down to look at it. Accounting4Taste 19:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; YouTube fame is not notability, period. — Coren ^(talk) 19:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per G4: Recreation of deleted material, and tagged as such. It was deleted earlier today. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 20:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- G4 does not apply to pages that were deleted through speedy deletion, only XfD discussions. Mr.Z-man 20:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Correction, the tag reads "Previously PROD-deleted articles are not eligible under this criterion, and Speedily deleted articles are not automatically eligible for this criterion" but could be eligible. It was speedily deleted exactly 8 minutes before it was recreated. I think G4 applies. J-ſtan^Talk_Contribs 03:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - The tag is misleading. The policy states: "Recreation of deleted material. A copy, by any title, of a page deleted via a deletion discussion, provided the copy is substantially identical to the deleted version and that any changes to it do not address the reasons for which it was deleted. This does not apply to content that has been moved to user space, undeleted via deletion review, or deleted via "proposed deletion", or to speedy deletions (although in that case, the previous speedy criterion, or other speedy criteria, may apply)." And please re-read my nomination reason. I know it was deleted once before and it may be speedy deletable material. I'm just trying to get a consensus on a borderline speedy case. Mr.Z-man 04:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Either way, this AfD should run its full course so that it will be an unambiguous speedy and salt if it's created again. -- Satori Son 18:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not notable Vgranucci 15:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Has yet to attain Chris Crocker level of fame. Burntsauce 17:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.