The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Erk. I really don't know what to do with this one. The problem here is that one of the things that made Wing Commander notable was that it was one of the first game series to have a detailed story that unfolded as the game progressed. And there are 12 games and 10 or so novels, a film and a TV series all set in this shared universe. That makes the plot detail described here important background that's necessary for understanding all of these stories. But, that said, I haven't been able to find any sources that provide anything other than plot summary. My personal opinion is that a plot summary article like this is fine, and I would suggest WP:IAR applied here, but I know there are plenty of others who think that such articles are not acceptable, so I doubt that suggestion will fly. So I'll wait to see what others suggest, but I suggest keep for now. JulesH (talk) 07:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Any merge or redirect is the same as delete. You couldn't preserve that information on any other article. I see nothing wrong with the article. We aren't running out of server space, and no one would stumble upon it that wasn't looking for it, so no reason not to have it. It hurts no one, and will provide reading entertainment to many. Dream Focus 16:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Kilrathi. The "Kilrathi War" article is currently purely plot summary, and while it's a competent plot summary its scope is too narrow to really justify having a separate article devoted to it (a fictional period of time covering only a portion of the series). The article on the Kilrathi is currently purely descriptional, and does nothing to describe the race's role in the series. Putting this plot summary there will fix both articles. Nifboy (talk) 16:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Kilrathi article would be then too long, and the Kilrathi War article has a lot of things involving humans in it. Dream Focus 18:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Then make room for it. I'm amazed the Kilrathi article is so long without talking about the Kilrathi War or any of the games. Nifboy (talk) 18:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep The only reason the nom gave for deletion that has a policy basis was "game guide". It ain't that, so no valid reason for deletion. The other comments are all reasons to clean up. Hobit (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Perhaps a better term would be "plot summary". However, since it has no basis in the real world, I don't see how it deserves an article more than the plots of other large games. A merge wouldn't be out of the question as long as it stays encyclopedic.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:59, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that none of that is a reason to delete. WP:PLOT can be a reason to reduce the amount of plot or add other things, but not a reason to delete. There may be problems with WP:N, but no one has mentioned that, including the nom. So we have no policy based reason for deletion. It's hard to defend an article against charges that are true (too much plot) but not relevant to the issue (deletion). Thus the speedy keep. Hobit (talk) 04:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or transwiki per Nifboy. SharkD (talk) 13:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Kilrathi looks like it goes into too much in-universe detail as is and needs to be condensed. Merging there might prove feasible once condensed to a proper size. In addition, merging those two and Terran Confederation into a Universe of Wing Commander article might be another option. Pagrashtak 14:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No shortage of space on the wikipedia. If something doesn't fit in the main article, have a side page for it. Also, for those who wish to merge information, please attempt to put all relevant information on just one page, and see how much you have to edit out. Wikipedia should be detailed articles, not just brief useless summaries with no way of actually explaining things properly. How about making a page for the merged content, and then seeing how it turns out. If it looks good, then you can renominate all the pages for deletion you believe are no longer needed. Too often I see pages deleted, with a vote to merge, and no one bothers to merge any of the information over at all. DreamFocus 02:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note- Not an issue of space so much as relevance and clutter. Sure, it can support a trillion more articles, but that would defeat the point of an encyclopedia.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What is the point of the wikipedia? The overwhelming majority of articles are for entertainment things, people just read it because they enjoy it. They have a pie chart somewhere showing what most of the wikipedia hits are far, and entertainment sections get far more hits than anything educational. So the majority of articles on the wikipedia, and the majority of the ones people go to, would never be found in a regular encyclopedia. Its here to entertain, not to impress anyone. DreamFocus 21:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Someone mentions it is clutter, then this is the place to respond to that comment. Have you never been to an AFD before? People discuss their opinions on why something should be here, or not, and the reasons why. DreamFocus 19:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.