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The result was no consensus. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:54, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Hyland[edit]

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PROD contested. Concern was article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 21:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I dont understand what do I need to fix for my article to not be deleted. I thought I fixed the issues? Gamemaster eleven (talk) 22:20, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think It meets all the criteria in the General notability guideline, how does it not??? Gamemaster eleven (talk) 22:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It fails WP:NFOOTBALL... He's not played senior first team football for a team in a fully professional league JMHamo (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK I will fix that Right Now, I understand what I need to do now. Gamemaster eleven (talk) 23:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did I fix what Was requested??? Gamemaster eleven (talk) 23:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

hello is any one going to respond? Gamemaster eleven (talk) 00:52, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - there is no indication from any reliable source that he is bound to play, this is merely your subjective assumption. As has been noted in many AfDs previously, your "he's not notable now, but let's see if he continues to be non-notable before deleting" is inherently flawed, primrily because it is an admission, as you say explicitly above, that the subject is not notable, but this somehows leads to a "keep" !vote. Current consensus is that no article should exist except in extreme cases for footballers who have not yet played either a game in an FPL or senior international football. The cost of recreating articles is deemed to be more than outweighed by the benefit of not having hundreds of youth team player articles which we are assured are for players who will begin playing at a notable level any minute now, but who never do. Fenix down (talk) 09:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm merely saying hold on until the season starts, in only 5 days. There's no rush to delete this article before then. There are no firm rules that say this article needs to be deleted before we see happens, and there is WP:NORUSH. Nfitz (talk) 11:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And then if he doesn't play then the article hangs around. WP:NORUSH is an essay, and is overridden by the long-standing consensus at WP:FOOTY, that you actually need to have played at least one game in order to be notable. The correct procedure, and one which the vast majority of editors adhere to is to wait until an individual is notable before starting articles, not anticipate notability. Fenix down (talk) 12:20, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that is the correct procedure. But if the article exists, there's no point deleting it within hours of the season starting. Nfitz (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's just a routine source, he hasn't received any significant coverage nor played in a fully pro league match. So therefore he's not notable. – Michael (talk) 19:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The season starts tomorrow. Why are we still having this discussion? Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to ask you the same thing since you guys aren't relying on past consensus regarding non notable footballers. Saying that "he'll make his debut tomorrow". Do we know for sure he'll make his debut tomorrow? No. Do we know for sure he'll play at all? No. If he makes his debut tomorrow, then I'll drop my nomination, but Wikipedia does not operate in the process of "he will be notable soon". – Michael (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it does. There's a test called WP:CRYSTAL that stops the creation of articles which are pure guessary, but something like this, where it's almost certain we'll be recreating the article shortly, passes. Nfitz (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No it does not. Until he actually plays, he still fails the guidelines. – Michael (talk) 23:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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