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The result was merge‎ to Long Beach Township, New Jersey. Daniel (talk) 18:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

LBTBP[edit]

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the speedy tag was deleted and then as far as I can tell, the article was swapped with Long Beach Township Beach Patrol to avoid scrutiny? No mention of notability, proposing delete microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish)} 14:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and New Jersey. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Local organization sourced only to local organization's own website. The lead could be condensed and merged to Long Beach Township, New Jersey. Reywas92^Talk 19:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi, Reywas92! The speedy tag was temporary while the page was being fixed. As for the citations, they were the ones used on this page before the horseplay issues occurred. The page should likely not be merged because it already was existing page before my rectifying edits. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @76.117.162.190: Looking at the page history, there is no evidence of "horseplay". However, you have removed maintenance tags from the page without rectifying the issue (e.g., removing the uncategorized tag). Can you provide evidence to support your claim or provide sources to prove the notability of this topic? P.S. It would also be beneficial for you to register for an account instead of using an IP address. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Significa liberdade: Hi! The horseplay that I am talking about deals with an apparent hoax regarding a so called “Tony’s Beach” (See user Drmies’ talk page) originally added to this page by a now blocked user (See user Tonys Beach Enthusiast). It seems that an administrator blanked the page because of the “Tony’s Beach” hoax. Since I was not aware of that prior to my edits (and my previous comments calling them “rectifying”), I assumed I was simply fixing the page and rightly removing the tags in the process. I now see why that is not true. Because I am not the original (by original I mean person who edited the page before the horseplay) editor, I am not completely versed in the sources and notability of it, and I have no problem merging any relevant information to a different page. I cannot register for an account because it seems that a blocked user was operating under my IP, and it says that I am barred from creating an account because of that. Lastly, now that I have been enlightened on the topic, I changed my stance on the issue (See below). Thank you, and I hope you understand. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 00:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Microbiology Marcus. I appreciate your review and care for the accuracy of this page. This article was recently subject to horseplay where all of the information was deleted. I essentially rewrote the article and returned it to its previous state. As for the different articles, I saw both and edited one so I wouldn’t have to do double work. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 22:14, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails wp:GNG and is written in a weirdly self-serving tone—blindlynx 23:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for your input. Could you please explain what you mean by “self-serving tone” and give examples of from the article of this. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 23:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  You don't need to respond to every comment here. The article is not written in an encyclopedia tone but in one that celebrates this organization—blindlynx 01:12, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I understand that I do not need to reply to every comment. However, I choose to do so to be respectful and to attempt to improve my my editing skills. Could you kindly identify specific instances of tone that celebrates the LBTBP so I can edit as necessary. Thank you. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The entire article is at best a florid description of life-guarding. Only the list of beaches is obviously unique to this organization underscoring it's lack of notability—blindlynx 19:56, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Your statement is incorrect because the article does explain more specific things (beyond the list of beaches) that sets the LBTBP apart from other lifeguarding, with examples being: the Beach Badge Checkers, the unique events and culture, and the programs that are only offered by the LBTBP. Had it only been about lifeguarding, it would have gone into specifics about how lifeguards rescue people. This article instead explains how multiple aspects of the patrol contribute to its goal of serving and protecting the public and beach environment to ensure a safe and enjoyable experience.76.117.162.190 (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Long Beach Township, New Jersey The article does include some relevant information that is of importance when talking about the LBTBP, and the edits and tone seem to be accurate and consistent with the contributing primary sources. However, it is seemingly not notable enough on its own and any relevant information can be transferred to a different page. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 23:29, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Why are you pretending that these are someone else's edits? You're the main contributor to that page—blindlynx 01:19, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I am not pretending to not be talking about my own edits. In fact, I am simply stating what I see objectively from this article from my point of view. As I stated, if the tone is not neutral, it is because the source’s tone is not completely neutral. I tried my best to make the page as unbiased as possible. What I stated is accurate according to the sources I used. Please remember that I am also merely returning the page to the state it was in before the aforementioned horseplay. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 01:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The information relayed to this page is accurate and reliable based on the cited sources. The information is also unique and notable (see Ship Bottom Beach Patrol, which does not provide most of the same programs or amenities that the LBTBP does) and is written in a mostly neutral tone.2601:84:C900:BCC0:C2A:7896:892D:B378 (talk) 22:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It doesn't matter what services Ship Bottom Beach Patrol provides unless that beach patrol has been verified as notable according to Wikipedia's standards. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge / Redirect to Long Beach Township, New Jersey There is no evidence of any independent notability for the Long Beach Township Beach Patrol. The sources are almost all from the organization itself, with the single mention in an article by the Asbury Park Press being a trivial mention that lacks in-depth coverage. What relevant material here that is present should be greatly condensed and merged to the article for the township. Alansohn (talk) 01:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Alansohn: Thank you for your insight on this matter. Could you help identify what information may be relevant from this article so I can prepare a few condensed lines about it on the Long Beach Township, New Jersey page? Your help would be greatly appreciated. 76.117.162.190 (talk) 02:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Merge / Redirect to Long Beach Township, New Jersey As noted above, none of the sources verify notability. All but one source is primary, and the one secondary source is an overview of a single event. If there is valuable information backed up by even one secondary source about this place, it can be merged. Otherwise, delete or redirect both this page and Long Beach Township Beach Patrol. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for contributing. It is truly appreciated. I am working hard as we speak to prepare a condensed paragraph or two of relevant and notable information to add to the Long Beach Township, New Jersey page. Have a wonderful day! 76.117.162.190 (talk) 00:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Doesn't appear to be notable but probably deserves a mention in the Long Beach Township, New Jersey article. A full merge would give undue weight to the organisation. From reading the target article, it's not obvious where LBTBP fits. Maybe, mention in a new Tourism section or add a profile of the beaches in the Geography section and mention there? Rupples (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Selective Merge to Long Beach Township, New Jersey, where it should mentioned, tho not in such depth/ and without MOS:PUFFERY. 08:50, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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