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The result was delete. The football club is not fully professional, and UEFA does not confer automatic notability. Although discussions to modify policy may be taking place, for now we must say delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Lombardi[edit]

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As this footballer has never played in a fully professional league, the subject fails WP:ATHLETE, and the lack of significant coverage means it also fails WP:GNG Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Maltese football is not fully pro.[1] Youth caps don't count for WP:ATH. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To address what has been presented below, I am wholly against UEFA Cup appearances meeting WP:ATH. The UEFA Cup qualifying rounds are far from fully professional. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 08:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep following new research below, meets WP:ATHLETE. Giant Snowman 19:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not sure how anything below indicatesa he now fulfills WP:ATHLETE. If anything it seems to suggest more strongly that he doesn't. Fenix down (talk) 08:37, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in the UEFA Cup gives notability in my opinion. Giant Snowman 02:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In what way? The qualifying rounds certainly don't receive significant enough coverage to merit keeping an article WP:GNG, and they are not fully professional, since there are always teams from semi pro leagues, and there were at least twenty-five, including Birkirkara F.C., during the season in question. Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a degree of repetition creeping into this debate. Sir Sputnik is correct, according to current consensus this individual simply does not fulfill WP:FOOTYN. Although this notability criteria is not a guideline, there has been significant activity on the essays talk page and the essay itself has been edited a number of times by a number of different editors. I would suggest that that is sufficient to suggest current WP consensus on players' notability is that they have to play or have played for a fully professional club competitively. Lombardi has not, therefore whether he has played in the UEFA cup first qualifying round or not (and continental competition appearances are also covered by wp:footyn) is irrelevant. Unless new reasons for keeping the article are put forward, it would seem clear that the concensus is to delete as the two editors who wish the article to remain have not supported their arguements with citations of relevant consensus. Fenix down (talk) 10:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has played in European top-level league and in UEFA Cup (added reference to article for latter) Eldumpo (talk) 19:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any indication that Birkirkara F.C. are fully professional? I haven't been able to find any but that doesn't mean its not there. But if they are not fully pro, then Mr. Lombardi still fails WP:ATHLETE inspite of the UEFA Cup appearance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have evidence that Birkirkara are 'fully professional' and they may not be, but I would say he is notable due to playing in the UEFA Cup. Eldumpo (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason playing in the UEFA Cup usually makes players notable is because the vast majority teams in the UEFA Cup are fully pro, and a player would therefore be notable under WP:FOOTYN. However, if Birkirkara F.C. are only semi-pro he still fails all relevant notability guidelines. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Question of professionality appears to have been answered above, so not sure why it conitnues to be debated, though I accept that the reference is nearly 10 years old. League appears to be assumed not fully professional by WP:Football here. It is possible that he is a professional player but that does not seem relevant according to notability guideleines which state that the league must be fully professional. Could still have an article on GNG grounds if he had achieved something notable in european competition, but the appearance in the UEFA cup was a first qualifying round tie which the club lost. Fenix down (talk) 10:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - football has not played at a fully-professional level of football. Whilst I appreciate that he has made appearances in the early stages of the UEFA Cup, these are (as aforementioned) far from being fully-professional, failing WP:ATH. There is also not enough media coverage, beyond the WP:NTEMP stuff to pass WP:GNG. --Jimbo^[online] 01:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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