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The result was Keep all. Recent evidence provided on the talk page of WP:FPL shows the players have played in a fully pro league. Number 5 7 13:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Soo-Gil[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following article for the same reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all - fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 08:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - They all has played in the fully professional league and surely made at least one appearance. I edited this page with reliable sources. z4617925 (talk) 02:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit has subsequently been reverted, as the source you listed does not adequately confirm the league's fully pro status, and without reliable sources confirming that the the K-League Challenge is fully pro, we cannot assume that it is. Sir Sputnik (talk)

In the sources that I linked, FIFA explain '22 professional clubs are competing on two tiers this year.' In addition, Korean FA and every Korean main media including Sports Chosun, Sports Donga have confirmed this league is officially the professional league. Surely Two army teams in K League Challenge, but these teams consists of every absolute professional player who belong to professional clubs in K League Classic or K League Challenge. z4617925 (talk) 15:09, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - regardless of the status of a league, all biographies should pass the general notability guideline to be notable. It is hard to determine without access to Korean sources, and help from Korean speakers to determine whether these subjects pass GNG is appreciated, but the sources provided in the articles does not show that the subjects are notable. Mentoz86 (talk) 08:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These players all meet the criteria of Notability guideline. They are certainly fully professional players and made at least one appearance in professional league. z4617925 (talk) 10:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTBALL, which you believe these players pass, is just a rule of thumb. No biographic articles should exist on Wikipedia when the subject fails the general notability guideline. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But WP:NFOOTBALL can help judging whether or not a sports person meets the WP:GNG. I can speak Korean and understand that the Korean sources in these articles prove that these articles meet WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. z4617925 (talk) 03:04, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - they don't play at fully pro league. Banhtrung1 (talk) 07:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They exactly plays in the fully professional league and made appearances.(Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues) The official site of K League proves it. Lee Soo-Gil, Don Ji-Deok, Jung Eui-Do, Kim Jong-Seong, Lim Sung-Taek, Kim Hyo-Jun. z4617925 (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - since they played in a fully profession league (as listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues), it would seem to me that they meet WP:NFOOTBALL. CooperDB (talk) 09:20, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails to qualify. Until K-League is an accepted fully pro league does not meet criteria. Caffeyw (talk) 22:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason that K League is not accepted fully professional league? z4617925 (talk) 02:17, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I am confused. K League Classic and K League Challenge are listed as fully professional leagues at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. And the article says that Mr. Lee Soo-Gil played for Suwon FC which plays in the K League Challenge. Is that information wrong or am I missing something else? CooperDB (talk) 13:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Like you said, these 6 players, including Lee Soo-Gil, currently plays for clubs in K League Challenge that is a fully professional league and made appearances in that league. So these articles have no reason to be deleted. z4617925 (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ~~Kim Hyo-Jun and Jung Eui-Dong~~ all. According to Mr Kim's KLeague profile, he made 13 appearances across two seasons for Gyeongnam FC, in 2006 and 2007. According to Mr Jung's KLeague profile, he appeared twice for Seongnam Ilhwa in the K League in 2009 and 2010. Having looked at the sources FIFA and Korea Joongang Daily (in English), I have no doubt that the K League Challenge is fully professional.~~If anyone decides definitively by the end of this AfD that the K League Challenge is an FPL, keep the rest as well.~~ Passing a subject-specific notability guideline presumes the subject to be notable, i.e. presumes they pass WP:GNG, and allows time for the article about the subject to be developed to demonstrate this.
Incidentally, Don-Ji-Deok is listed twice. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:56, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - the sources indicate that all have played in the K League Challenge which appears to be a fully-pro league (and as Struway2 noted above some have played in the fully-pro K League in the past). I don't know if these articles will satisfy the GNG, but I think it's fair to give editors some time to add the sources to do so. Jogurney (talk) 23:26, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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